after 60mm lift - 3D short Pinin is unstable - totally different feeling then on stock suspension
Dears, what i did ..
front :
i just change the front shocks to Australian version
springs i have old one - EU version ..
+ polyurethane spacers 30mm
back
Mazda new springs
+ polyurethane spacers 30mm
panhard is the same without modification's ..
honestly - ppl on PL community PININ told me about I have to get used to it ... but no way .. i need to have similar traction on highway like before ..
what i should do now to make this car frendly to use ... feeling of instability driving is for me not acceptable .. i know about i can do all - this is the matter of the price.
my question's :
1) for sure i be try to remade panhard on back
2) is the sense to buy eccentric screw's for front suspension ? like this one below ?
who are monted here
3 is the sense to buy wheel spacers 30mm for all wheels ? ( if i make lift 60mm up - is the sense to buy 30mm wheel spacers - for me that have some sense to keep the center of gravity on the same level ?
or any suggestion are welcomed ..
some photos of my pinin after and before are here : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/322hewvo93leduy/AADHVXf4EY3INzhV0te1Xwhta?dl=0
already I regret the money spent ;( .. traction is terrible - i didnt feel the car on "black" .. he swam.. i not ffel steering wheel like before ..
Dear Claude, @ 1'st You'r my
Dear Claude, @ 1'st You'r my hereo here like Fordem .. uf .. so..
wandering - i fell from the start .. when i drive with low speed i feel small delay on steering wheel,, that wasn;t before for sure.. I feel like on a slippery road
What is your tyre pressure?. :
I am not sure at 100 % what are your spring, have you check if you have some droop left ? :
to check measure from the guard to the lip of the rim while the car is on the ground, then do the same measurement when your car is lifted to have the wheel not touching the ground. Tell me the 2 number.
Ok - I'll do it soon and come back with the answer's ..
tahnk You dear Claude - I was frustrated and you comforted me .. ;) thx ! .. and yes, that's not any extremally lift ;)
First - you need to recognize ...
that when you lift the vehicle, you WILL affect the handling & stability. You are raising the center of gravity, and that increases the tendency to roll, the greater the lift, the greater the tendency to roll.
Having said that, there's no real reason the straight line stability should be affected, check the steering & suspension, make sure there is no play in the bushes, get a proper alignment done, as long as the toe & camber are correctly set, you should be fine, and yes, camber bolts like you show can be used, I would suggest you use "antiseize" when fitting as they will rust into place.
When I got my iO, the guy who sold it to me warned me about certain issues, rattles in the front end, wandering, and so on - the problem turned out to be a missing pinch bolt in the steering linkage - a real "accident waiting for a place to happen".
thx - but both of You my
thx - but both of You my frends must know one.. when i buy this car 1,5y ago i I fixed everything, and every replaced part is new .. . i not use my pinin to offroad ( not yet ) ;) .. i have already new springs monroe from old mazda on rear - new monroe shocks .. on front old spring + new KYB Shock's.. and every metal-rubber element's are new, with lower arms .. they are also new one.
already i think about i need to go to laser suspension setting.. they should measure + fix right whell position vs ground .. etc .. im totally noob when we talking about suspensions ;) .. for sure both of You have right .. but i come back here with hard measuring results after inspection .. i promise... maybe that's my feelings only ( sad ) .. foregive .. i back with results on paper .. after inspection.
THANK YOU !!!! ;)
here's the story with my Pinin just FYI ; https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kep6irg40qnwhtb/AACk1vImKqtJeaCmst6By0aaa?dl=0
but for sure i need to move the pinin center of gravity on the same place - i love him for that .. that's why 1'st i mount 30mm whell spacers ;)
wandering
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wandering - i fell from the start .. when i drive with low speed i feel small delay on steering wheel,, that wasn;t before for sure.. I feel like on a slippery road
Thanks for the kind word...
You may have lifted your car a bit more than 60 mm.
While lifting the car will make the car "wandering" you will mainly start to feel the effect around 70/80 km/h (very approximative, but should be close here) and the faster you will drive the worse it will be. What you said is that it does it even at low speed, this make me suspect that you may have a something sticky or out of alignment because of the lift, something like a ball joint in a too big angle or other.
Please still let us know about the measurement, but try to lift the car under both lower control arm as well and try to turn the wheel (like a left or right turn with the steering), holding the tyres at 9 and 3 on the clock, to see if it turn nicely. I wouldn't be surprise that it will be hard to move. A picture of your front CV with the lower ball joint in view could help, at ground level (not jacked up). If it is hard to turn, removing the spacer will fix this.
The camber pin are a good thing to have but I don't think that they will help much in your case.
Happy io
Use a small prybar.
Jack the car up, remove the wheel and use a small prybar between the control arm & the knuckle - if you get any movement at all in the joint it's defective.
Mitsubishi does not supply the joint separately from the arm, but it is replaceable - if you look closely you'll see a circlip at the top, you can remove it and press the joint out. Febest supplies the joints, and if you like you can go to the Amazon store and search for Febest 0420-696 and look at the list of vehicles they say it fits - you might be able to pick it up locally.
I have a pair of the Febest joints and will be fitting them within another week or two.
fordem wrote: Mitsubishi does
Mitsubishi does not supply the joint separately from the arm, but it is replaceable
Ha i know that well - cause my frendly workshop got wrong joint when they fix my suspension ( their joint was a little wider ) - and when they try to moun this joint's into the arm by hydraulic press - They damage arm xDDD - that's why both of them are new ;)))) = but for sure i make inspection.. thank you very much for Your help Gentlemens, you are amazing.
after few months i'm back
after few months i'm back here .. i got used to it and now is okay for me ..
is very hard to explain someone who never drowe Pinin / IO with EU Suspension .. about the feelings ..
for me was like sport car - who's glued to the road .. already is higher 6cm then before - and probably this is the reason ..
center of gravity was move UP .. already i try to find the Fender Flares - then ... i try to mount 3cm wheel spacers...
problem is one - availability and price this fender flares to Pajero IO / Pinin .. here on EU i saw some with the pirce aprox 260 Euro .. that's to much ..
rubbered - from rubber tape are ... ugly ;( . and in PL Tyres can not extend beyond the outline of the vehicle
im soory my frends for late reply .. everything is fine ... ;)
I am wondering if putting on
I am wondering if putting on original wheels and tyres would rule out other mechanical problems.
The reason is i tried another make of 4x4 with those tyres and it felt like you said. Wandering at all speeds. They did say made in Mexico...mmm.
Perhaps people should mention what happens WHEN you do the mods... before they do it?
Syndicate
steering
I have a few question before.....
At what speed the wandering (you wrote "traction") start to be noticeable ?
What is your tyre pressure?.
I am not sure at 100 % what are your spring, have you check if you have some droop left ? to check measure from the guard to the lip of the rim while the car is on the ground, then do the same measurement when your car is lifted to have the wheel not touching the ground. Tell me the 2 number.
Your lift doesn't look extreme at all and you might have another suspension problem....not sure
Let me know
Happy io
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