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wanted top plate
I have just received a message from K-mac regarding the strut plate adjuster. They are going to try to help:)
Does anyone would have a standard spare top plate to send me? I will, then, send it to K-mac for them to try to make one to fit the io. Or does anyone have the specification/size of the bearing? Fordem may be?:) I didn't search in the manual...
I will, of course, pay for it and I will let you know as soon as I have some result.
Thanks,
Happy io.
How about these
Do you reckon these would fit - certainly look like they should bolt in OK, and for the same era of Mitsi's. They're available here in NZ for reasonable money ($180 a pair) and presumably AU somewhere.
uhh - I'm temporarily unable to assist
I have just received a message from K-mac regarding the strut plate adjuster. They are going to try to help:)
Does anyone would have a standard spare top plate to send me? I will, then, send it to K-mac for them to try to make one to fit the io. Or does anyone have the specification/size of the bearing? Fordem may be?:) I didn't search in the manual...
I will, of course, pay for it and I will let you know as soon as I have some result.
Thanks,
Happy io.
I doubt you'll find the bearing specs in the manual - they expect you to change the entire assembly - and unfortunately I'm not in a position to assist - my car is back together and several thousand miles away from me (or rather I'm several thousand miles away from it, since I'm the one that has changed locations).
I'll see what I can do when I get back home - it might take a week or two though.
I had the wheel off my 04
I had the wheel off my 04 2.0gdi yesterday and measured the strut, i had 255mm 10mm less than Claudio, is it possible there were three different struts sizes, old, new and european? i measured along the line of Claudio's photo from weld to strut bottom.
Andy
3 struts
I had answered this already but I guess I wasn't logged in :(
I asked the local mitsi dealer for a price on a set of later struts last week and he said there's 3 different part numbers for them in the system. He didn't have specs of the differences unfortunately.
The price was $450 each so needless to say, I didn't order any.
Don
KYB
just buy some KYB struts, heaps cheaper than mitsubishi genuine. From memory the default pajero io strut they stock is the newer one with the raised spring pan.
I'm sure someone on here has fitted the KYB strut and runs 225/75-16's easily, if not, order them, explain you need the later model struts and check em with a tape measure when they arrive to be sure.
good luck!
There are more than three.
I can find 6 different part numbers for the front strut varying with the year (these are for a Japanese 5 door) ...
MR319792 - 1998.05.1 - 1998.09.2
MR455401 - 1998.09.3 - 1999.07.3
MR519093 - 1999.08.1 - 1999.09.3
MR519092 - 1999.10.1 - 2000.04.3
MR554614 - 2000.05.1 - 2001.09.1
MR992092 - 2001.09.2 - 2007.06.3
When I take a tape measure to MR319792 I get 250mm from the spring pan weld to the bottom of the strut - I will post a picture later of where I made the measurement, because I seem to recall seeing a picture where the measurement was made to the bottom of the "knuckle flange" which is lower than the bottom of the strut.
Strut data
Right I think we need to get to the bottom of this... a standard way of measuring, pics as evidence, part numbers where they're known and quoted sources of info to make sure we're working off facts. Maybe we need to put it in a new thread which can go as a sticky somewhere because this info is all over the site currently.
More strut data
I found some information I wanted to add but couldn't edit the post so I'm doing it this way.
The Mitsubishi parts catalogues provide no details, but a Tokico application guide crosses the Mitsu numbers to theirs and these six parts can be replaced by two Tokico parts
I can find 6 different part numbers for the front strut varying with the year (these are for a Japanese 5 door) ...
MR319792 - 1998.05.1 - 1998.09.2 - Tokico B3311
MR455401 - 1998.09.3 - 1999.07.3 - Tokico B3311
MR519093 - 1999.08.1 - 1999.09.3 - Tokico B3311
MR519092 - 1999.10.1 - 2000.04.3 - Tokico B3312
MR554614 - 2000.05.1 - 2001.09.1 - Tokico B3312
MR992092 - 2001.09.2 - 2007.06.3 - Tokico B3312
When I take a tape measure to MR319792 I get 250mm from the spring pan weld to the bottom of the strut - I will post a picture later of where I made the measurement, because I seem to recall seeing a picture where the measurement was made to the bottom of the "knuckle flange" which is lower than the bottom of the strut.
Comparing measurements.
Here's my picture - my apologies for the quality - the top of the tape is against the weld line where the spring pan meets the strut body.
Here's Claude's picture - if I had to guess I'd say he has the top of the tape against the spring pan itself.
I think there's at least one more picture - if I find it I'll add it.
measurement
Hello Fordem, glad to see that you are safely back! and help us a bit more.
Here, below, is what I wrote at the time when I took this picture of my strut. So it is just under the weld, while the cylinder of the strut is still flat.
""Hello, I am still waiting for my tyre... but I thought I would give you more info on the strut. You can see in Granthem's2002 io built thread, how he measured the strut I have done the same from just under the weld of the bottom strut plate and the lower part of the strut I found 265 mm, same as Granthem.""
If this help you to workout what is what, my car was built in 08/2002. It might be easier to tell at the shop that you need the one with 265mm, and measure when you pick them up. I think that Granthem's built have the other pictures.
Happy io.
Hi Guys, I have a 1999 5 door
Hi Guys,
I have a 1999 5 door with the identical suspension set up as Claudio eg: higher perched front struts, stock springs and raised King springs (BA springs) on the rear.
I have spent a few weeks now trolling the internet trying to find wheels that will fit my io and that I actually like. My preference has always been to go for steel wheels over alloy purely because you can "panel beat" them back into submission if required to get yourself out of the poo. Also they are less susceptible to damage if used as a ground anchor. (The purist 4 wheel driver coming out in me).
Anyway, Sunraysia's have long been the weapon of choice amongst the off road crowd, but no one seems to make off the shelf units to suit an io. I made some phone calls and what I have ended up with is a set (tentatively on order) of 16X7, 5X114.3 Speedy Desert Rats in black with the silver pinstripe (perfect for my white over silver io) with an off set of +30. The reduced positive offset (from the standard +46) fits just nicely under the guards and allows for some slightly wider rubber without scrubbing on the strut tower. I mocked this up using large washers between the rear of the stock rim and the hub....didn't drive it like that, just garage static tests/measurements.
Now you won't find these in the catalog. Speedy will (hopefully) make these up as a special order with a repeated...numerous times, stipulation that these are non-refundable. The plan is to fit 235/70/16 BF Goodrich KM2's , the same size Pininokio runs but with more positive offset so they don't stick out quite as far.... the police here are pretty hot on that sort of thing, and then there's the bearing wear issues too.
Anyway, I'll keep you all posted. If I can get them, it might just offer an alternative for anyone else looking at going for steelies with a moderate offset change.
Fab.
Standard price....gotta be happy with that.
Very nice....how much did they quoted you? I like the steel wheel, easier to repair, this said I haven't damaged mine yet.... but I am working on it!!
Do you know if they are much heavier?
Happy io
Hey Claudio,
They quoted me $90 to 95 per rim (no extra than standard off the shelf price) That doesn't include nuts and centre caps though. I'm after 6 all up!
Weight wise...not sure what the standard io alloys weigh but the Speedy's weigh in at 11.832kgs. Based on the third ones down on this spec sheet... http://www.speedywheels.com.au/2011/specifications/DesertRatBlack.pdf
I'll keep you in the loop. I'm also in the process of getting a stainless steel 5mm bash plate made up. All laser cut and brake press bent with "Pajero io" laser cut into the front to allow for a bit of air flow....$100 for that one from a local engineering firm here in Adelaide. I'll post some more details once that's done too with some pics as I do believe it will look much better than any off the shelf bash plates.
Fab..io.
BAsh plate
$100....bargain! Do you think that 5 mm might be a bit overkill? again, I haven't got much knowledge of what is the best. I can't wait to see it with the proud "pajero io" label.
I am going to do one in aluminum (5 or 6 mm) It will be lighter....not on the wallet! $140 for a 700mm by 850 plate.The original one is looking....hum....damaged
Happy io
Speaking to a hard core rock
Speaking to a hard core rock hopper guy at work, 5mm will allow the car to get hung up without denting the bash plate. I also looked at doing a 6mm aluminium one but had trouble finding anyone who was confident in bending it without fracturing the metal. The bolts will be domed headed bolts with torx ends so any scrapes or dents won't render the bolts U/S.
Paramount Browns in Adelaide had 2400 x 1200 6mm sheets for $150...surplus stock. That was very tempting.
The other option I considered was 3 mm steel but that was going to cost me close to $100 just for materials, cutting blades and a fab shop to bend it. These guys are doing the whole job off a cardboard template for $100. All I have to do it drill the holes. The holes on my OEM plate were that distorted, it was hard to measure accurate hole centres.
I'm half expecting a call to say the cost has blown out....hope not.
I know these guys store all their CAD files so if it comes out looking good and at $100 or there abouts...I'll post their details on here so others can jump on the band wagon. Still have to make one for the transfer case which I'm thinking of making out of a couple of cut down leaf springs welded side by side and mounted to swing down off the cross car brace through the standard leaf spring eyelet (just to maintain servicability).
It's never ending really.
Fab.
Both these deals sound very
Both these deals sound very good Fab. I want on on all the info too. $100 for a bash plate is awesome, especially with the custom Pajero iO laser cut into it. and for speedy to do the rims is also a bonus. $90 a rim is a hot deal. love your work mate...
Off the shelf units
OK...so Speedy wouldn't come to the party with custom jobs.
However, I have just ordered 6 off the shelf (YES, OFF THE SHELF) black sunraysia style rims from Dynamic in Melbourne. Exact same spec as the above mentioned Speedy's regarding offset, stud pattern etc. Just without the silver pinstriping but meh....I can live with that. $110 a piece. Should see them by the end of the month.
Also, being off the shelf, they have agreed to only charge me once I have trial fitted them to my car and am happy with them....arranged through my local Bob Jane store.
Website here: http://www.dynamictyres.com.au/OurWheels/DynamicWheels.aspx
Fab io ....cause that's how I (will) roll.
Some good reviews and a
Some good reviews and a couple of good pics on this website. One person goes on to say they poop all over ROH wheels.
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=37783
Fab.
Nice work mate
OK...so Speedy wouldn't come to the party with custom jobs.
However, I have just ordered 6 off the shelf (YES, OFF THE SHELF) black sunraysia style rims from Dynamic in Melbourne. Exact same spec as the above mentioned Speedy's regarding offset, stud pattern etc. Just without the silver pinstriping but meh....I can live with that. $110 a piece. Should see them by the end of the month.
Also, being off the shelf, they have agreed to only charge me once I have trial fitted them to my car and am happy with them....arranged through my local Bob Jane store.
Website here: http://www.dynamictyres.com.au/OurWheels/DynamicWheels.aspx
Fab io ....cause that's how I (will) roll.
nice work there fab. might have to get me some new rims now. did you call dynamic directly or did you go to bob jane first? coz id be interested in some...
ive actually already got this website bookmarked as i was looking at the simex and general tyres, but never even thioought to look at wheels. let us know how they go?
Hey Dan, Nah...going through
Hey Dan,
Nah...going through Bob Janes. I figure that if I do a trial fit up and they don't fit, it will be easier to reject the wheels rather than going direct and risking getting stuck with them.
No doubt once I pave the way, others may choose to go direct through the importer. That's the beauty of forums like this...share the knowledge.
Fab.
P.S. Bash plate is probably going to be another few days but I'm in Melbourne all of next week so I might not see it til the following weekend.
No more plate:(
Speaking to a hard core rock hopper guy at work, 5mm will allow the car to get hung up without denting the bash plate. I also looked at doing a 6mm aluminium one but had trouble finding anyone who was confident in bending it without fracturing the metal. The bolts will be domed headed bolts with torx ends so any scrapes or dents won't render the bolts U/S.
Paramount Browns in Adelaide had 2400 x 1200 6mm sheets for $150...surplus stock. That was very tempting.
The other option I considered was 3 mm steel but that was going to cost me close to $100 just for materials, cutting blades and a fab shop to bend it. These guys are doing the whole job off a cardboard template for $100. All I have to do it drill the holes. The holes on my OEM plate were that distorted, it was hard to measure accurate hole centres.
I'm half expecting a call to say the cost has blown out....hope not.
I know these guys store all their CAD files so if it comes out looking good and at $100 or there abouts...I'll post their details on here so others can jump on the band wagon. Still have to make one for the transfer case which I'm thinking of making out of a couple of cut down leaf springs welded side by side and mounted to swing down off the cross car brace through the standard leaf spring eyelet (just to maintain servicability).
It's never ending really.
Fab.
Anyway, I will be watching closely your coming wheel....
Happy io.
Claudio, That sucks! I'm not
Claudio,
That sucks! I'm not surprised though, bacause at that price, I could see people snapping it up.
Hang tight...not all is lost. Wait to see how my 5mm stainless steel version comes back. It'll just provide you with another option. If they don't ship direct from Adelaide to where ever, I'm happy to act as a middle man for anyone who wants to get their hands on one. No skin off my nose. The Engineering joint is right next door to my work and there's a post office up the road from my house.
It'll probably be easier to ship than a 2400x1200 sheet of alloy.
Fab.
Regarding bash plate
Well here it is.
$240 all up ($120 of that was drafting costs to get it from cardboard onto CAD)
5mm thick = 17 kgs! Ouch. Seriously thinking of getting it redone in 3mm (approx 10.2 kgs) if he has kept the CAD data.
I'll also chat to him to see if he'll take orders and let you know what he wants for a 3mm stainless job now the CAD has been done - fingers crossed he saved the file.
Made with no holes so I cold be sure they were spot on. Disregard the different bolts and the partial plastic wrap...it was work in progress when the pic was taken.
Anyway....look (and comment).
You just never know....
Thanks Daniel,
I'm glad you like it. The laser cut wording has its benifits too. Allows for a little airflow over the sump and also acts as an access hole for the pressure cleaner.
I'm going to speak to my contact at the engineerig firm on Monday, but there is a good chance that he still has it on CAD. If that's the case, I'm guessing that $120 (plus postage) should get you one in 5mm stainless steel, and maybe a bit cheaper if you go say 3mm which is still more than adequate..
If they're up to it, I'll post their contact details on here.
Fab.
No Deal
Sexy as! I would be keen as for a 3mm one!
Also how did you go with those Dynamic tyres? I have been looking around for some steelies and they are look pretty good.
Hi Single cell.... funny you should ask.
Just today the rims arrived, so I went down and picked one up for a trial fit up. I had my doubts as soon as I saw the box with +30 offset printed on the box. Their website spec sheet listed them as +38.
Never the less, I fitted one up and on the front, the bare rim overshoots the guard by 7mm and on the rear it's even worse...10mm.
So needless to say, I thanked the guy but said "No deal". At that point, he became less than helpful and I left.
Too bloody hard..... I'm now in the process of hunting down some Outlander rims that'll give me the +38 I want and need to fit the wider rubber.
Fab.
Photo of Dynamics Sunraysias on rear axle
I know the camera angle could possibly make it look worse than it is, but the Dynamic rims listed in their spec sheet as +38 were actually +30 and overshot the rear sheet metal by 10mm and the front sheet metal by 7mm.
Back to the drawing board.
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I was planning on getting some of those universal flares you see in 4x4 places to cover the tyres. Have you considered that?
My brothers mate works at bob jane so i might give him a call and see if they know of any tires that will suit.
Might be just my phone but i can not see the photo.
No - it\'s not your phone
I believe there's a problem with the forum software - yesterday I made several attempts to post an image, both by using a link to the image hosted on another server, and also after uploading it to this server - I got the exact same results you see here.
Flares
Yep, I considered fitting flares and I don't mind the idea, however, given the car is not the size of a Patrol or Cruiser, I don't want to go too wide with the flares. If I was fittting them just to cover tyre over hang, then yep....OK. But to start with 10mm over shoot before even fitting the tyres is a bit much I think.
The photo not loading...I agree is a software issue. I tried several times and several different ways.
I don't know Pininokio's offset, but if you look at his car pic at the start of this thread, that's pretty much how it would have looked. Now each to their own, but personally I think it looks a bit weird with that little amount of positive offset. Not to mention the significant additional load on the bearings, and the fact that changing the wheel track by that much is like putting a falshing light on your car that reads "Come and get me Mr. Policeman".
I'm really pissed to be honest. The Dynamics catalouge said +38 which is identical to the offset on Outlander wheels and would be a perfect fit. The only other issue is that the Dynamics wheels didn't seat on the hub real well. The centre hole was larger than the hub diametre. Maybe I'm being a bit anal about that but my trade school lecturer always said that the weight of the vehicle should be supported on the hub, not the wheel studs.
Arrrrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fab.
io - Information Overload
pic problem and apostrophe test \\\'\\\'\\\'
Yes definitely a problem and I think it's related to the appearance of a backslash ahead of every apostrophe you put in a post subject. Something is causing corruption of the text between what gets typed and the HTML that gets posted. I've emailed Glen.
yeah go grab some outlander
yeah go grab some outlander steelies like i have. i went to mitsubishi and was quoted $308 per wheel, so i was like **** that and took them off my outlander and put the iO wheels on on the outlander and the outlander wheels on the iO.
http://www.pajerio.com/forum/outlander-wheels-pajerio-io
tyres
Only one of us have the 17" tyres why not more!?.
With the appropriate modification, lifting lower strut plate or coilover, new rims, do you think that the 245/70/17 would be a good option. They have the higher ply rating and they are just a bit bigger than the 225/75/16 and should give an extra 15 mm lift. Do the stronger sidewall and being 17 inch rim would mean less sidewall flex? easier for fast lane change?
Any thought?
Happy io
17"
Unless you have trouble getting what you want in 16" the only reason I could think of someone doing this is if they didn't plan to go offroad in it.
Stiffer sidewalls = better handling? I guess maybe a little, but unless you lower the center of gravity and firm up the suspension at the same time you're playing at the margins of improvement.
The negatives are all in the offroad use - less ability to deflate the tyres for grip, more risk of damaging a rim with a jutting rock, more risk of a puncture....
My 2c :)
17"
This is true if you have the same total diameter with 17" instead of 16". For me, my 225/75/16 have a diameter of 744 mm the 245/70/17 is 776mm, 32 mm more, so even if I loose 1 inch of rim the 245/70/17 is still a thicker tyre and should be as good as the 225 for deflating for 4wdriving. These numbers came from the bfg muddies specification. These fitted with a less positive offset rim will give you a wider track as well. The 245/70/17 can be fitted on a 6.5 inch rim, and should protect even more the rim, as for puncture it does have the higher ply rating and should be better than the 225/75/16
As for handling, I do understand that a lot can be done to improve the car, but I was just trying to compare one tyre again another, like comparing one brand of shocks again another brand...
Anyway, you might be right...I don't know...
Happy io
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The sole reason I am looking at rims is to get away from the 17s. As already stated smaller rims means bigger rubber which in the end is better for 4x4ing.
And if I remember correctly, when I went looking at new tyres anything that had a nice sexy chunky look wouldnt fit on a 17" and fit under the lower pan.
I'm with you on that NZIO and
I'm with you on that NZIO and Singlecell...in fact, if I could get 15"s I would be going for that. For me..the smaler the rim the better. I plan to use the car in sand driving applications so the more I can deflate, the better.
Had a tyre/rim guru look for aftermarket wheel options for me today. The only confirmed fitting aftermarket rim that fitted my criteria was the Speedy "Tomahawk" with a positive offset of +35. Still a touch more than I'd like. I'm not real keen on the styling either. $210 per rim too !!!!
He did in converatsion mention some pretty good budget MT tyres called a Corsa. Anyone heard of these before? $195 ea for 235/70/16. Price sounds good and the tread pattern he showed me was alright too. He reckons they're good for 60,000kms.
I still want my KM2's. with so many positive reviews, they've got to be good. I don't mind spending the $$$$ but would prefer to over invest in the tyres and cheap out a little on the rims.
Fab.
17"
Again, fully agree that at the same total diameter a 15 inch rim with bigger tyres is much better than a 17 inch rim with smaller tyres but that wasn't really my point....I'll move along...I never heard of the corsa tyre, but if you do a lot of sand driving, the km2 might not be the best, and I think that you are dead right by spending more of your budget on the tyres than the rims.
Happy io
Not sure about the RTV wheels
FAB72, I am still hoping that the Falcon RTV Sunnies turn out to be a good match for the iO. Based on the specs that I have, the backspacing seems to be the same as the standard iO wheels. They are 16 x 7's.
Hey RA Teabag,
Not sure.... I thought they would too but I've also heard they are a +30 offset meaning they'd stick out of the guards a fair bit.
What are the wheels on your bus? They don't look stock but it's hard to tell from the thumbnail. They don't look too bad.
Pajero io .... great car, but why they picked Ray Charles to design the wheels is beyond me.
Fab.
RTV wheel offset
Fab, I have been told that the the RTV wheel offset is P24 mm. If this is so, then I believe that the "backspacing" would be almost the same as the standard iO wheel. Since the RTV wheels are 7 inches wide, then they would be 25mm further out on the outside edge than the standard iO wheels. If some one wants to run sevens, then this situation is hard to avoid, but flexy-flares may be the answer.
The standard Falcon wheel is said to be P38 mm, and I believe cannot be fitted to an iO.
I like to deal in facts, so I hope that someone can get their hands on a RTV wheel, or at least get some specs that we can rely on.
Concerning the steel wheels on the Teabag car, they are from a Ford Escape. They are 16 by 6 1/2, and I believe the offset is P28 mm. I just had a look at one, and where the size is stamped into the metal, it says 16X6 1/2 TOPY 28. (Topy is a Japanese wheel manufacturer).
I will re-do my own measurements of these wheels, and the standard iO wheels, and let you know my findings.
Dynamic wheel
OK...looks like the photo upload is working tonight.
Here is (hopefully) a pic of my bus showing a fitted up Dynamic 16x7 with a +30 offset fitted to the rear axle. The protrusion past the body work measured up as 10mm on the rear and 7mm on the front. Crap photo, I know, but shows what it looks like when "gun sighted" along the body.
Syndicate
Angle
No, no confusion here, you can install a strut plate adjusters on most sedan with a Mcpherson suspension to adjust camber and caster, made by K-mac. I used to fit them on commodore, and other, a long time ago. I have contacted by them, and of course, they don't make them for the io or any 4x4. I am going to try to modified one. I am still exchanging email/info, but it doesn't look good. I know that I could adjust it by modifying the "strut rod" and make it like the old falcon (before the EA) with bushes and one nut on either side but it might put some stress on the lower control arm bushes, and it will change the camber angle as well (not that much but still). And because of my bigger tyres nearly touching in full lock it might make it even closer! or touch! So I thought that adjusting the caster by moving the top plate instead would be the best, and less work:)
The basic of this plate is that they have the center bearing on a plate between 2 outer ring, and you can move the top anyway you want, in, out, forward, backward, or a mix.
P.S. I didn't know about the pajero JR, even smaller than the io!!! still the pictures and the 4x4 action looked great.
Here is the K-Mac site: http://www.k-mac.com.au/ I know that there are other maker of these strut plate but I don't remember they name!
Happy io.
My io is now SOLD Thankshttp://pajerio.com/forum/claudes-io-2002-zr-built-thread-onlyhappy-io