Best Tire size and type? What Have you / Are you using?
Try 334813.
tried to order my kyb 334405 struts today, apparently there are none in the uk or the whole of Europe!!
334405 is a Japanese number (as is 334442, the "low pan" version) but I believe they are in short supply - my local KYB reseller placed an order last November - both 334405 & 334442 - he has received the 334442 but not the 334405.
There IS another number for Europe - try 334813 - this SHOULD be the high pan strut, but I can't guarantee that.
Hi Fordem thanks for that , i
Hi Fordem thanks for that , i will get my supplier to check it out, I am also considering cutting and rewelding the spring pan, the guy 2 doors away from me at work is a fabricator so might ask him about it, are there any issues when rewelding the pan,? does it have any affect on the seals inside the shock? also anyone know how to go about it, is it simply a case of grinding off existing weld , sliding pan up higher and then reweld , or is it more complicated than that.
thinking about it will ask fabricator guy about bash plate for front while i'm at it
Andy
Personally - I wouldn't
I believe you'll find the strut has a warning about heating it stamped on the body. If you're left with that as the only option, consider using Koni strut inserts rather than buying new KYBs - you can gut the OEM struts (check the part numbers to make sure they are compatible first), cut & reweld the spring pan and then install the Koni inserts.
welding the strut
I second what Fordem said, it may can be done with spot weld and try to not heat the strut too much, but, I think, chances of having something going wrong is very very high. Getting a new insert and modify the strut to have the lower spring plate higher is a much better idea, or simply get a complete new strut, or try something new...
I was advised that the io have at least 2 diameters, and the tube have to be 51mm to be able to fit a Kony insert, I haven't done it, but have been quoted for them and was told then ( $550, delivered for the pair)
Happy io
looking on the net it seems
looking on the net it seems that there is much more availibility for the 334813 just cant find anything with dimensions on to confirm pan height , will ring my supplier tommorrow, hopefully this no. is higher pan type. would rather replace the whole thing than muck about with original ones as this will give me the option of refiiting them as and when i sell car.
Andy
spoke to the uk supplier on
spoke to the uk supplier on monday who phoned kyb europe whilst i was on the phone to confirm dimensions, guy from kyb confirmed lower pan to bottom of strut 260mm, so i placed an order and the struts arrived today, however they are the same as i already have 245mm from weld to strut bottom , Bummer.
think i might give up on the idea of lifting it, and just stick the biggest tyres i can fit under the existing strut.
Also bought some escort spring, for info they measure 360mm.
Andy
Aargh
Andy that's a big disappointment - are they taking them back? Surely KYB can now look again at their catalogue for you with the knowledge of the dimension you're wanting.
Very interested to hear what height change the escort spring gives you - don't forget to take before and after measurements. If you have a caliper to measure coil thickness that would be interesting also.
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DON'T GIVE UP!!!! This is the best advice I can give you, bigger tyres is the best lift you can do. These strut do exit, go and bother them a bit more. Now, I don't know the rule where you are, but here if you order something, then receive something else, that is not at you cost.
I don't think that anyone that have changed the suspension have any regret, but I don't think it was without some problem...
Happy io.
the parts they sent were what
the parts they sent were what i ordered , its just that the measurement they got from kyb is different to what we all need, i'm not sure where the kyb guy got his figures from , maybe they measure to the actual spring cup and not the weld like we have all been doing.
yes...but
It looks like it is not going to be easy....it often is! if you cannot find the strut, there are 2 other options (that I heard on the forum) the coilover or cut the strut and extend it, and fit a new insert.
Happy io
yes but by fitting a new insert you still need the spring perch there anyway for the spring to sit on, thus still making it hard to put some bigger tyre on without cutting and replacing the perch higher up. the other option is a coilover setup like glen has, as claude said. talk to glen a bit more about it. he should be able to advise you a bit more
mod to strut
Hi Daniel, the option of cutting the strut and put a new insert is actually more than one cut! one on the top for the new insert and one under the spring perch, then extend the body of the strut with some tubing, this way you can lift the perch to whatever you want (within reason, ie 25 to 50 mm or so) and can fit the tyre you want. Doing this way you get a new insert and get a lift by whatever amount you extend the strut and keep the original spring. I think that Themis car is done that way and it did fit some massive 235/85/16 32 inch.
Nzio have found some interesting pictures of Themis's car and you can see the front strut with the weld, I don't say that it is the best way, or that you have to fit some 32 inch tyres but it I think that it is a good idea. http://www.pajerio.com/forum/russian-mods or http://www.pajerio.com/forum/pictures-and-video-nice-io
Happy io
sorry
Hi Daniel, the option of cutting the strut and put a new insert is actually more than one cut! one on the top for the new insert and one under the spring perch, then extend the body of the strut with some tubing, this way you can lift the perch to whatever you want (within reason, ie 25 to 50 mm or so) and can fit the tyre you want. Doing this way you get a new insert and get a lift by whatever amount you extend the strut and keep the original spring. I think that Themis car is done that way and it did fit some massive 235/85/16 32 inch.
ok sorry. please forgive me. i thought you were meaning just to put in a new insert. sorry.
i dont think i like that option from a safety perspective. but that is just my personal view...
Hi Nzio, thats a kind offer,
Hi Nzio, thats a kind offer, I know from sending the struts back that they weigh 11.5kg, my postcode in the uk is GU47 9RS if you could get a rough idea what it would be i would certainly consider it, another option is to go back to the rewelding the pan option, there is a pinin in the local breakers and i can get the struts for £60.00 and then get the local fabricator to weld them up , i know this is not ideal but at least its another set of struts and not the ones on the car, just whether it works ok as it will still probably cost £100
Andy
It should be quite safe
Extending the struts as has been done on Themis' car should be quite safe - remember, you're going to be using an insert inside the welded strut tube, so there will be - so to speak - an internal reinforcement.
What you have to be aware of is that the koni inserts are designed for the OE length struts and so will be too short for the extended strut - there are two ways to get around this, the first is to fabricate a spacer to go below the koni insert and use a longer bolt to secure it to the bottom of the strut, and the second is to find a different insert with a longer body, which I suspect is what Themis may have done, since one of his goals would have been greater suspension travel.
HI guys!! I am new to this
HI guys!! I am new to this Forum and i find it really very helpful. Thanks to you guys!! :)
I live in United Arab Emirates. Our off-roading purely consist Sand Dune Driving and the temperature here reaches up to 43 Degrees in Summers !!. I am really very happy to own Pajero i.O and i need your advise in replacing my stock tires to the biggest tires that can fit (without any modification) and which can sail through powdery sands of Arabia.
I use my pajero only on weekend mostly for off roading on the beachs or dunes and rarely use it in the city. Please advise guys ,
Current Tires: Bridgestone Dueler 215/65/16 A/T
Pajero Model Year : 2002 (5 door version)
Engine Size : 2.0
bridgestone desert dueler
bridgestone desert dueler 205/80/16
thats what i have on mine and imo theyre a very good allrounder tyre. but superb on sand
what you want to look for is an open tread all terrain as opposed to more highway tread types.
some examples to look for:
Bridgestone Desert Dueler
Cooper S/T
BFG T/A ko
Goodyear Wrangler SA
Kumho KL78
just to name a few
tyres
The choice of tyres is not always an easy task! I haven't drive on sand for a long time, and I cannot give you advices regarding this. This said you live in a place where sand is everywhere and you should be able to get some good advices from where you are....but in general the tyre pressure, and the bigger footprint you can are more important, and if you drive a lot on road, an all terrain might be a good option, find one that have a strong sidewall as low tyre pressure (for sand driving) will test them...
For the size of the tyres, one big warning, if you have done some reading (probably did!) you may have found some discussion regarding the different front strut on the Io. While the same Io, as yours, in Australia have a strut that can accommodate the 205/80/16 like Daniel, or the 225/75/16 km2 like mine, there is no guaranty that your Io have the same strut! So first, go to this thread http://pajerio.com/forum/strut-data , to check the position of the lower spring plate.
Another thing is from brand to brand the same size tyre may differ a little bit....the 225/75/16 BFG km2 ( great for mud..may not be the best for sand) ,just fit nicely but another brand might be a slightly wider.
Try before you buy...!
I hope that you will be able to send some pictures of your Io and your country side...
Happy io
Hello, I did a fair bit of
Hello,
I did a fair bit of sand driving just recently. And although with a normal 4X4 I would recommend against mud tyres for sand driving, you must remember that the io is not a normal 4X4. The light weight, centre diff lock and rear LSD work really well in our favour.
Personally I run 235/70/16 BF Goodrick KM2. Awesome tyres...can't rave about them enough. One huge bonus is that the KM2's lend themselves to lower tyres pressures without coming off the rims.
The below video is of me in the Simpson Desert where temperatures can reach the low 50 degrees celcius and there are about 1100 sand dunes between towns. Here's a short clip of me playing in the sand just 40kms west of a town called Birdsville. Aussies will recoginse this dune as Big Red.
FYI.... my io has the struts fitted with the higher strut pans and I was running 8 psi in the tyres. Second gear, low range, about 30-40kmph, although I repeated even the hard track at 10kmph just to prove that the io didn't need momentum to conquer the mighty dune that left Landcruisers and Nissans stuck 3/4 of the way up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuDa7VR93YE
Enjoy.... Fab.
G'Day NZio ... You're so
G'Day NZio ...
You're so right. I know from being there that the dune is huge (and others will support me on that) and the sand is a much more striking red. My point and shoot digital camera is getting old and wasn't really made with video in mind.
The still shots show the colour of the sand better, but depending on camera angle...... it still looks like a "mound" in some shots, rather than the beast of a dune it really is.
Cheers...glad you liked and watched it.
Fab.
Best tire type and size I.O for Sand driving (without modifying)
HI guys.
Thankyou so much for the advices, Thankyou Daniel, Claud, FAB and everyone. I have been reading the Pajerio forum past 2 weeks and i have gained so much knowledge about my Pajero :) . I really appreciate the kind of effort the members are putting in to help everyone better understand their Pajero IO, pinin, tr4..
Well i guess Claud you are right. I have to first check for the measurements of the struts in my iO before buying the new tires.. i will check and confirm. :) by the way your tires look awesome. I hope its as good on sand..
Daniel, the tires you are using is very well known for its realibilty in Sand and its used by 70% of 4x4 vehicles here in United Arab Emirates. Bridgestone desert dueler is a very good option but i have to check whether my iO can accomodate 205/80 R16 as pointed by Claud. i like to stay "stock" as close as possible to maintain i.O's orignality and thats the reason I want to replace the tires with better ones without modifying anything else to fit them. One thing i want to ask you if this tyre size is putting any strain on your engine? and hows the fuel consumption is affected. ?
Fab, i've seen your video. i am really impressed to see the IO conquering that dune without too much effort. Here in U.A.E we have similiar dunes, (even higher) and its really fun driving on sand dunes!! for anyone who have not tried it, they must give it a try !! its such a roller coster experience that you wont regret . !! :D
Guys this is the place where we go Off roading.
. I went here in my 2002 LWB Pajero iO in stock tires.! and it went very smoooth!! however at some point i felt lack of power while climbing steep dunes but none the less i Love my IO and i must say its an irreplaceble vehicle for me :) . i love the strange look on the owners of modified Land cruisers, Patrol, Wrangler, Hummer etc. when i reach places they think no other vehicle could ever make it than theirs .., :)
Thanks for keeping this forum "Alive" :)
Atif.
Sand
After all this talk about sand - the local 4wd club outing today was into an area of tussocky sand dunes along the coast. There's no dunes the size of what you guys have in Oz or UAE, but plenty of steep runs of up to 80m or so, so plenty of opportunity to have fun.
This was my 3rd proper 4wd day - the other two were in mud. I'm still very much a newbie off road, but I fell like I'm getting a reasonable handle on techniques and what the car is capable of now.
On arrival at the gate into the play area there was a bit of banter about how much time I would spend being towed from the usual mix of larger pajeros, patrols, hiluxes, landrovers, a range rover and a jeep, most of them lifted and modified. In today's conditions the io was outstanding - I never needed a tow all day while the big heavy hiluxes and patrols etc. were getting constantly bogged. The key for me was to carry good speed into the climbs and keep the revs up, usually in low ratio 2nd or high ratio 1st.
It sure shut up the knockers up - I had two people ask me if it had diff lockers, a bit confused about why it was going so well.
A slight worry is a bit of vibration through the steering wheel which appeared above 90kph on the drive home. There was a heavy hit to the left front getting up and over the lip of a creek bank - could be I bent something, but will have to wait until next weekend before I'll have time to get underneath for a look.
Vibration
Vibration in the steering....my first reaction would be that you lost a weight out of your front wheel, and it might need a wheel balance. If you check you might find no weight on one front wheel. Usually if it is a wheel balance problem, the vibration would start at a speed then increase with the speed. The vibration would nearly always start at the same speed (and stop at the same speed). If it is the pb, don't drive it for too long like that as it can put some stress in your front suspension/steering.
It is a good idea to take note of what weight you have and where on your wheel, if you loose one, it is cheaper to balance one wheel only....
Wheel balance pb from the rear wheel can, sometime, give the vibration in the seat and not the steering.
My understanding with sand is that the wheel needs some lost of traction to go forward. I know it does sound strange but ...
Good on you to show them who is the boss
, I hope that you keep some record...to remind them. Nothing better than the look from the "big boy" with their very expensive gear, to show what the Io can do, sometime even better than themself....Lucky me I know the feeling too...lol...
Low tide! lol...
Happy io.
Hi there, I need new tyers
Hi there, I need new tyers for my IO, its still standard, no lifts etc,.. i currently have 215/70/16 on, before I had 235/65/16 on, Im thinking of getting BFG 235/70/16 or 215/75/16,.. what size would you recomend? will the 245/70/16 fit without a lift? Please help!!
Its urgent so reply to this tread or email me asap. george.greyling101@gmail.com
thanks
Hello GeorgeDazz,Before we
Hello GeorgeDazz,
Before we get into the suspension discussion, let me start by saying that anything taller than the 235/70/16 will require you to modify your spare wheel carrier. On my car, it only just fits and actually drags ever so slightly when the rear door is opened and closed. Not enough to be of concern though.
OK...that said and done, a lot depends on what front struts you have. This topic has been covered by many people on this forum so I won't go down that path. What I will say is that the safest option is either the standard (215/70/16) size or a slightly bigger tyre like a 225/70/16.
If you have time, I'd recommend you take the time to work out which struts your car is fitted with from standard because in my opinion (and yes, I'm probably biased because they are what I run with) you can't go past the BFG 235/70/16 KM2's. Great tyre on and off road (even in sand - which alot of Mud Terrains struggle with), reasonably quiet, not too heavy, well balanced, good wearing and doesn't slaughter your torque at the wheels enough to be of any major concern.
My car came factory with the lower struts, but I changed them and I also run Mitsubishi Outlander wheels which are slightly wider at 6.5" and have a slightly different offset (+38 compared with the standard +46). My tyres don't over hang the rims excessively and I can easily run them in sand at 8psi without popping the tyre off the rim.
Hope that helps and let us all know what you choose.
Fab.
P.S. .......My tyre and rim combination DON'T scrub even under full articulation or steering lock and I haven't had to modify the body or plastic work at all.
205/80/16, How many are using
205/80/16, How many are using this on OEM Rim + higher strut?
I am looking at replacing my 215/65/16 with 205/80/16, I have the 2.0L 2002 model with higher strut pan (OEM).
215/65 = 685.9 mm
225/70 = 721.4 mm (17.75 lift)
205/80 = 734.4 mm (24.25 lift)
235/70 = 735.4 mm (24.75 lift)
Many people are using the 235/70 and this seems to be the max size for the spare mount + front higher strut pan. Only question here if you use 235/70 with OEM rim does the tyre rub on the inside full lock, It seems with non OEM rims (Outlander) the 235/70 is just perfect.
I think the higher strut is about +-25mm higher thus a 205/80 & 235/70 should fit as they have the same amount of higer lift (or at least in theory I know every brand differs from each other). The only concern is the 235 is wider and it seems a non-OEM rims is required with more offset.
Those that use 205/80 with OEM rim (together with higher pan), any problems?. I can see no reason this should not fit.
For me the 205/80 is much better than the 235/70 as this should be lighter + less resistance etc with the same lift (could also be cheaper..), Also for me (South Africa) we dont get the 235/70 in MT locally .
I have the 205/80R16 on Mazda
I have the 205/80R16 on Mazda Tribute rims on the same model vehicle with the higher struts.
The offset of these wheels is roughly the same and they are an inch wider, so the tyre is around 10-12mm closer to the strut than stock, but there is no rubbing. The spare fits on with 2 thick washers (roughly 4mm total) on each lug.
I just replaced my 215 65 16
I just replaced my 215 65 16 tires with 225 70 16 AT mounted on 6.5 "rims and lower offset of 11mm.
The tires do not touch even in full steering.
The car has a much nicer pace and the longer gear ratio due to the larger diameter of the tires does not affect the progression in any terrain.
That happiness.
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334405s
Could it be that the 334405 is not usually sold into Europe - perhaps there is another part number that is the same spec, but for europe? I know your guy says they're out of stock, but would he be able to tell the difference in the system between that and a part that's not normally stocked in your part of the world?