Goldcoast hills trip - Aug31

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Short day trip for beginners on easy terrain through the southern and goldcoast mountains.

Meeting: BP service center Yatala approx 9:30am Saturday 31st august. Fuel up!

leg 1: Ormeau Range: steep loose rocky trail climbing over the Ormeau ridge from east to west. Trail is littered with loose rocks so tyres in good condition required. can be easily bypassed if you want to skip this one.

leg 2: Duck Creek track: Drive south through beaudesert and climb from the valley up to O'Riley's via the Duck Creek Track: easy track with some washouts. - Lunch at O'Rileys.

leg 3: Eastern Tamborine: head down the bitumen from O'rileys through Canungra, then up Mt Tamborine via the newly opened Goat Track then desend via Running creek waterfall and firetrails. River crossing practice in Birds Creek if time permitting.

All tracks are easy grade however Ormeau hills does have lots of sharp rocks, AT grade tyre or better or excelent condition road tyre minimum to prevent tyre damage. Ormeau leg can be easily bypassed by people not wishing to do the climb.

End: Oxenford 7/11 servo - approx 200kms total

 

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Keen

Im keen as. Might bring the girlfriend and teach her how to 4x4.

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maybe

My girlfriend is back from Europe a couple of days before then. If she feels up for it I might come down for the weekend and tag along.

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Awesome!

There is some challenging stuff off to the side of all the tracks if you want to push it :)

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Thanks for the heads up Bob,

Thanks for the heads up Bob, will have a chat with the Mrs and see if she is free. :)

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Singlecell

I really hope you can come along. I really want to see your swb :P especially in action!

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will try.

Topher wrote:

I really hope you can come along. I really want to see your swb :P especially in action!

I will try my hardest to make it.  I havent done any proper 4x4ing in a long time(with the engine issues).  My new motor should be fully worn in by then and ready to go hard.  I suspect I will have lost a lot of my nerve though. . . .

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Springbrook

The hinterland range where o'riley's is, is simply stunning, well worth the drive just for that!

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Everyone come along!!

Super keen for this! Nothing booked that weekend that I know of so most likely be there!

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people comming

so far just Simmo and I are going to be going, no-one else has confirmed

 

will be a good trip!

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Confirmation

Ill be there!

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Meeting place

Meet at BP servo - outside McDonalds - 9:30am
Take Exit 38 off M1 at Yatala (same exit number north and south)

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Perfect escape plan from the in-laws!!

My inlaws will be in town, so Mrs can't tag along, but I will be there. :)

 

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oil change

How did you go with the oil change and the plugs?

I was looking at my oil and I am running 5-40 synthetic, 5-30 might be a tad light for summer or a high-milage engine.

ALSO noticed a heap of oil leak patches on my drive, would have either been your io or another patrol that was over the next day - smelt like gear oil but cannot be sure. Just giving you the heads up in case you've got a nasty leak underneath you haddn't seen

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Had half bottle of left over

Had half bottle of left over engine oil, so topped up to get some oil in that night. Picked up Castrol 15W40 along with a free Repco oil filter for $19.50, will do the oil and filter change this weekend. 

Changed the sparks, but Mrs said she could still feel the knock sometimes while idling (standing at the lights).

Have the coils ready, will put them in this weekend as well.

Checked underneath the body, couldn't see any oil leak anywhere apart from the bit of engine oil I spilled trying to top up without a funnel in the night :P 

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Gold Coast Hills Trip TOMORROW

Hi Guys,

Confirming trip is still 100% on,

please make sure if you are comming you are at the BP by 9:30am at the latest - we want to have left by 9:40am.

I'll be getting to the BP by 9:15 to fuel up and make sure my tyres are at road pressures, there won't be any need to air down etc and probably will be a disadvantage over the first range anyway.

I'm running stock rims and stock tyres with a mild AT pattern and will have no worries so don't feel that you'll need a lift and MT tyres etc

Hope that we get tonnes of rain tonight to make it all wet and slippery and a clear sunny day tomorrow to enjoy the views :)

If you have a UHF bring it - 

If you are concerned about road tyre damage on loose rocks on the first climb let me know at the BP and I'll show you where to wait for us on the far side of the range. rocks are the size of cricket balls and are pointy and unfriendly to low-tread road tyres

Thanks

if you are late - let us know, we won't wait but we'll let you know where you can catch up to us.

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Keen

I cant wait! I did some serious 4wding tonight and got away with some bruises and grazes :)

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Trip out!

Photos and GPS dump from the O'Rieleys climb - was an easy drive, would be good to camp along the way some time.

 

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Looks like you guys had fun

Looks like you guys had fun :) Any vids?

Crap that I missed out :(

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fix ya lights

shadowarrior wrote:

Looks like you guys had fun :) Any vids?

Crap that I missed out :(

get that orange light fixed - will be a switch in the transfer box (disconnect wire of one at a time until you work out which is faulty and replace) and head out with us next time!

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Am coming to your place to

Am coming to your place to learn which switches to look for and how to open/replace them. That way I can drive down to a wreckers and pick up switches from other random Pajeros and replace them by myself. (Hoping any Pajero switches will fit) :)

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prep work

shadowarrior wrote:

Am coming to your place to learn which switches to look for and how to open/replace them. That way I can drive down to a wreckers and pick up switches from other random Pajeros and replace them by myself. (Hoping any Pajero switches will fit) :)

You can actually do a lot of prep-work for this at home, under the passengers side of the car, next to the gearbox you'll see where the switch wires connect to the harness with a plug. From memory you can unplug them individually.

This is what help get fixed my orange flashing lights:
Turn on ignition and (on your car) you should just have middle orange and rear green lights on.
Disconnect the plugs one at a time, check the lights, if the orange light is out you've found the culprit - leave it disconnected.
If the orange light stay's on then re-plug and try the next.

once you find the broken plug you can try substituting one from the wreckers and see what happens - OR take it to a dealer to replace

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pictures!

 

 

 

 

 

Was a brilliant day! I got one video (shocking quality) of my go at the big hill, I know Topher has video on his phone of his go up this hill and Bob's diff locked effortless *making it look easy* go up this tricky hill :P

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That I will do tonight.

Was a good trip apart from that rock that jumped out and attacked the back of my car...

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smashed bumper

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Was a good trip apart from that rock that jumped out and attacked the back of my car...

how was the fallout when you got home?

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Yeah...the boss isn't too happy

Missus is not very impressed...I got a quote for a custom rear tube bar today..$850..so that went down even better....NOT!

I will be pulling the bumper off to see if the design in my head will work..then if it does I could easily fabricate that up at home..if not...$850.00 out of pocket i guess. But Patrol Customs, (the place that quoted me for the rear bar and did my belly plate) Are quite busy at the moment so they have a 6 week waiting list anyways..but there work is really good as I watched them fabricate my whole belly plate. So I dunno..

Back on topic, its going to take too long for the videos to upload to youtube so ill post links tomorrow night.

Happy iO!

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genuine replacement

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Missus is not very impressed...I got a quote for a custom rear tube bar today..$850..so that went down even better....NOT!

I will be pulling the bumper off to see if the design in my head will work..then if it does I could easily fabricate that up at home..if not...$850.00 out of pocket i guess. But Patrol Customs, (the place that quoted me for the rear bar and did my belly plate) Are quite busy at the moment so they have a 6 week waiting list anyways..but there work is really good as I watched them fabricate my whole belly plate. So I dunno..

Back on topic, its going to take too long for the videos to upload to youtube so ill post links tomorrow night.

Happy iO!

 

it would be around $200 delivered for a new rear bumper from japan - don't tell her that!

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Delete the evidence!

I didn't see that..

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sticky into locker thread

 

re ARB air locker: this should be sticky'd in the locker thread as an example i.e. with and without an air locker, pretty good example of how much they change the vehicle capability.

this was actually what made me reconsider getting a kaiser front diff - don't need it, and the price of 2 x kaisers is not much different to 1 x air locker and heaps more drivable!

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Very good example

Also should note my io is running super aggressive directional mud tyres, and your io with road tyres and a locker

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start saving up :)

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Also should note my io is running super aggressive directional mud tyres, and your io with road tyres and a locker

..start saving up for a locker :D

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Tempting..

Thinking about getting a kaiser rear auto locker...dunno how much it would cost though :o

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Tempting..

Thinking about getting a kaiser rear auto locker...dunno how much it would cost though :o

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Not the kaiser

Better read up on them. Lots of bad feedback on them...

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Kaiser

Topher, From memory you have an auto gear box ? Am I correct ? Most negative feedback for the Kaiser are for manual, and from what I understood, they have   "behavior" problem but mainly under fast acceleration, while cornering, just drive a bit more carefully....

I do think that the ARB are better, NO doubt for me, sometime the locked diff lock can be a bad thing during 4x4.  I don't think that the Kaiser is a bad choice for the rear, especially on an auto. KTM early report was not bad, no news since...Daniel (from Brazil) liked his too. I think that the Kaiser is around $800 + fitting. The ARB is around $2200. Contact Glen for pricing, he should be able and happy to help you, he may even have one in stock.

If I were to replace my io by another (for any reason) ,the first mod will be new mud tyres, ARB diff lock second....

This said, I do not have any personal experience with the Kaiser diff.

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kaiser

topher has a manual and his is a LWB - may not have as much negative feedback on the drive line but i'd still be cautious.

The main issue (and same with all auto lockers) is that any cornering in the wet on bitumen, where the traction is potentially lower and your rear wheels can handle this but need to rotate at different speeds to maintain traction, the kaiser doesn't realise that you don't want to lock as it sees the low traction as unstable ground etc and it will automatically lock up - once locked the wheels would rotate at same rpm and this would cause traction in the rear to be lost and you'd hang the arse out. Once you are drifting (in the wet at highway speeds) the wheels both have similar levels of traction (low to none) but the frorce between them is also low so the kaiser thinks you're back on the sandy track again and unlocks, this suddenly lets your rear diff operate and you get traction, but you're 15deg offset to the lane - likely flicking and spinning the arse out the other side and hopefully not causing a spin out.

If you are cool with this and drive to conditions i.e. slower in the wet and get into the habbit of ALWAYS using 4H in the wet then you can probably handle it quite well.

I have run lots of old-style spring cone and pack LSD's that have a similar issue as well as a detroit - you never know when the internal force will make it more attractive to hang the arse out sideways instead of allowing wheels to rotate at different speeds. On off road tracks and on hills this is awesome, on the dirt or around town this is fun (if your partner is not with you) and you get good at winding it up to promote a drift (much to the detrement of your driveline!) - however on the bitumen, in winter, in the wet, on the highway is where it would happen with the worst results - typically at 110kms/h when tyres are icy cold and you are 25% hydroplaning anyway. 

Next time those of you who live in NSW are driving sydney-bound from Canberra and are heading down past the long cuttings of the mitagong bypass,  this is where I went backwards into the median strip vegetation at around 110km/h 2am one cold winter morning in the rain without warning, just changing lanes, rear passengers tyre lost traction on the painted lane dividing line, a sudden twitch and a flick and I was rooted. RIP Kingswood wagon, holiday written off, sitting in the rain picking up my luggage off the road and out of the bushes waiting for the cops and a towie to arrive with a splitting headache and my car almost in two pieces. :"(

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Hmm okay..

Not so attractive after all...is there a cheaper option for lockers etc?

By the way I have driven cars with spooled diffs in the dry and wet but not on the
Highway. How much are auto lockers just food for thought. Might just wait till I comp truck the iO :/

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lsd maybe

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Not so attractive after all...is there a cheaper option for lockers etc? By the way I have driven cars with spooled diffs in the dry and wet but not on the Highway. How much are auto lockers just food for thought. Might just wait till I comp truck the iO :/

you could probably buy an arb locker for about the same price as a kaiser i.e. $1000 for parts and install yourself. the instruction manual that comes with them is quite comprehensive and you only need an onboard air compressor to run it, doesn't need to be ARB as long as the PSI cut out is the same.

but i have been thinking about a re-packed LSD, pack one up to 120 - 160ftlbs and see how it performs

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Music To My Ears

That sounds more like it. However I believe the tighter the LSD the more often it wears out and the more often you have to rebuild it...just what i've heard.

Still sounds like its up my alley!

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diff

I haven't found anything else as for rear diff lock. Would a LSD diff modified like this be safe on the wet road ??

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Thats' true of a clutch type LSD

The ones that come in the LWB iO are helical LSDs, so no clutches to wear out and need replacement.

Topher wrote:

That sounds more like it. However I believe the tighter the LSD the more often it wears out and the more often you have to rebuild it...just what i've heard.

Still sounds like its up my alley!

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Awesome!

Ill be looking into it

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Have fitted engine mounts and

Have fitted engine mounts and keen . this trip looks great . when is the next one ???

Newbi 4x4 owner @ Gold Coast 

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gold coast hills trip

a lot of tracks are now closed - Ormeau hills rd (shaws pocket rd) is still open and easy to do on your own but all the tracks on Mt Tamborine are closed.

 

I'm looking to run a  trip out to Condamine gorge but won't be until mid-late march.

 

Check out the "duck creek track" from the west up to O-rileys, easy for an io and a great drive

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Cheers for the info , am

Cheers for the info , am looking into it .

 

Newbi 4x4 owner @ Gold Coast 

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