Stuck Super Select stick shifter
Hi everyone,
Just had my wheels/tires rotated and had the vacuum hose (for the brakes, etc) replaced as it was cracked and a bit malformed due to being exposed to heat by the engine. Everything worked fine. I also tested the Super select by shifting from 2H to 4H, it worked fine. After that I then shifted to 4HLc, it also worked fine. But now when I tried to shift back to 4H, the shifter would no longer move. I tried reversing, moving the shifter left, right, top and bottom but it wouldn't budge.
I've read from here http://pajerio.com/forum/stuck-4h and here http://pajerio.com/forum/gear-shift-stuck-4hc that most likely it could be the "bushing" or the "ball" that has broken down and could have jammed the super select rail.
I haven't checked it out yet and could not verify if that was the case.
How easy/difficult is it to remove the super select shifter?
Do I need to go underneath the car to get it removed?
Is it possible to disengage/shift from 4HLC -> 4H to 2H manually in the meantime? If so, how can I do that?
If it is in fact, the "bushing" or "ball", does anyone know what the part number is?
VK4KIJ mentioned a part number here but has not confirmed if it was the right part.
Can someone confirm the part number, please?
I am from the Philippines and most likely have to source the part overseas so I need to be sure of the correct part number.
I have a 5door 2.0 GDI A/T Pajero IO.
It does have some play
Hi Fordem!
Appreciate your help!
Yes, mine does have 4mm to 6mm side play.
I've tried your suggestion of pressing the lever down and then pushing it forward, backward, left and right but it would not budge.
I'll get it looked at when I have the time.
Since I might not be able to find a replacement for the "ball", would I be able to manually change it to either 4H or 2H in the meantime?
I made a replacement ball
Mitsubishi's parts catalogs don't list a separate ball for the iO shifter, and I did not know that there were replacement balls available, so when I needed a ball, and didn't feel like spending $180, I made one from a polyurethane shock absorber eye bush.
Given the lack of side play you have described, I doubt that the ball is your problem, it's more likely to be something internal to the transfer case - theoretically you can shift it with a large screwdriver after removing the shifter, but if it's stuck, I don't see that working either.
replacement ball
Same as you I didn't know that this replacement ball was available but Bob mentioned that it is, here post 11...pretty cheap as well
I try to fix one a while ago, I find it hard to remove the pin that hold the lot together. Because of the round shape, I couldn't use a press to push it out.
http://pajerio.com/forum/anyone-have-trasnfercase-99-5d-18l-auto#comment...
Happy io
bush...cover !!!
I agree with you, the name doesn't seem right but the schematic seems to be correct. Here it show the 30615P (then the MD739289 on amayama.com), and it seems to be what we here called a "bush" and maybe we didn't used the proper name !
What I would do before buying, is to pull that lever out to check. That might be enough to get it working again !
A reliable place would be Mitsubishi, the other would be amayama.com. Amayama list that part at around $5, it might be worth checking the price at Mitsubishi, even if they charge you more it still should be under $20 (guessing only here). I mean, it is not a big amount of money....
I'm really hoping that you're right
Hi Claude,
I'm really hoping that you're right.
Yes, $20 is not much but if you add $40 for shipping it here in the Philippines and then an additional ~$50 for customs tax, etc. It easily becomes $100+ for a part that might not fix the problem (if the bush/ball is the problem).
I'm hoping it's not something internal to the transfer case
Thanks, Fordem!
I'm still hoping that it's just the ball that's broken and not something internal to the transfer case.
My IO still has a relatively low mileage of 90,000 KM and have not really used the 4x4 much. I got it when it still had 70,000 KM reading.
95% of the time, it is in 2H and seldom use 4H during heavy rains, not even 4Hlc or 4Llc.
It is also mostly used in City driving; on paved roads and sometimes on rocky/loose gravel.
Btw. Yesterday, I tried your suggestion again about pushing the lever down and then try and moving it around.. I think I may have been able to switch from 4HLc to 4H. What does that tell you?
30615P
Going from memory, 30615P is not the ball, it's a flat circular floppy piece of rubber (looks like a hollow washer) that fits below the ball - it's purpose might be to keep dust/dirt out.
Dreaderx - maybe it's time to take the lever out and see what, if anything, is obstructing it's movement - removing & replacing it should not take more than an hour or so - it all depends on your level of mechanical aptitude.
I gave it a try
Hi Fordem,
I tried to remove the lever today, it seems that the 3rd bolt is not easily accessible..it's a bit over to the right and the screwdriver is obstructed by the floor metal part of the vehicle(if you're inside the vehicle, which is the passenger's side here in the Philippines, my IO has been converted from right-hand to left-hand drive).
I didn't have the right tools to undo the bolt so I'll try it another day when I do find the correct tools.
lever removal
Hi Fordem,
I tried to remove the lever today, it seems that the 3rd bolt is not easily accessible..it's a bit over to the right and the screwdriver is obstructed by the floor metal part of the vehicle(if you're inside the vehicle, which is the passenger's side here in the Philippines, my IO has been converted from right-hand to left-hand drive).
I didn't have the right tools to undo the bolt so I'll try it another day when I do find the correct tools.
Yes, I found the same. Do it from under the car, plenty of room for a spanner here.
Happy io
lever
Going from memory, 30615P is not the ball, it's a flat circular floppy piece of rubber (looks like a hollow washer) that fits below the ball - it's purpose might be to keep dust/dirt out.
Dreaderx - maybe it's time to take the lever out and see what, if anything, is obstructing it's movement - removing & replacing it should not take more than an hour or so - it all depends on your level of mechanical aptitude.
I have a spare one...I will pull it out of the T/C and check to bring my memory up ! and do some picture.
Something is not showing in this schematic, there is a spring and a clips to hold the all lot as well.
That spring was broken on Simmo's io.
yep - dust
yep - dust cover
http://avto.pro/part-MD739289-MITSUBISHI-397/
the bush looks like this
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gearbox-Shifter-Fulcrum-Ball-Bush-ONLY-Mitsub...
looks like pajero 2 transver lever is the same.
MD701605 appears correct $6.48 is cheap to find out
Thanks
yep - dust cover
http://avto.pro/part-MD739289-MITSUBISHI-397/
the bush looks like this
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gearbox-Shifter-Fulcrum-Ball-Bush-ONLY-Mitsub...
looks like pajero 2 transver lever is the same.
MD701605 appears correct $6.48 is cheap to find out
Hi Bob!
Thanks for providing a bit of clarification.
I'll purchase the item to see if it is the correct part. But I'll do that after I've actually inspected the transfer case lever.
paj 2
yep - dust cover
http://avto.pro/part-MD739289-MITSUBISHI-397/
the bush looks like this
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gearbox-Shifter-Fulcrum-Ball-Bush-ONLY-Mitsub...
looks like pajero 2 transver lever is the same.
MD701605 appears correct $6.48 is cheap to find out
Do you mean the big pajero Gen 2? I have the spare transfer shifter from the gen 2 pajero autotransfer sitting in the shed.
YES the pictures Claude put up.. that shifter is now in my car working great! I also have my old one for spares / to one day rebuild.
Let me know if you want pics of my old one (might try to dissassemble it for ya) or the gen 2 Pajero shifter
Thanks for the images
I just found the pictures that I have send to Simmo a while ago. This one is probably on his car now :)
Fordem, where do you think is that floppy piece of rubber located?
Happy io
Thanks for the images, Claude!
I'll get this looked at this weekend.
It was the "Ball" or "Bearing"
Hi everyone!
I'm happy to report that it was in fact the Ball or bearing thing.
Also, they've informed me that the part can be fabricated locally using a material they call Engineering plastic.
I'll update everyone when it's all fixed.
Syndicate
How much play do you have in the transfer case shift lever?
Anything more than say 4~5mm side play would suggest the pivot ball has disintegrated.
Have you tried moving the lever vertically? The shifter gate is designed to lock out movement between the 4H, 4HLc & 4LLc positions unless the lever is depressed - you have to press the lever down before you can push it forward - try pressing down or pulling up before pulling back and see what happens.
Removing the shift lever is not particularly difficult and can be done from inside the vehicle, in fact it is probably easier, however, replacing it, without getting under the vehicle would be a challenge.
Once you have removed the console and the shifter boot, look down through the opening, and you'll see three bolts, remove them and pull the shifter up & out - there are two gaskets, one above & one below the shifter gate, which are stuck down with sealant, so you'll probably have to pry it free. On the right side of the shift extension is a large hex head plug - behind it is a spring that holds the shift lever in the 2H/4H plane - you need to remove this plug to reinstall the lever and that is easiest done from underneath the vehicle.