Finally
Look what arrived yesterday after almost a month of shenanigans by the seller. Wahay. Still mucky and horrible.
They are going to be black.
I got five, the other two are out of shot!
So I tried them on for clearance and the gap between the rim and the caliper is only enough to allow thin card to pass. In fact it grips the card a little.
But what's this that I felt rubbing on the rim's inner surface!!
Yes it is the backing plate shield!!
So how come Bob didn't have this rubbing. Should I grind it down????
Er no because
It fell off!!
It had rotted off.
And in the process has been doing this to the wheel rim.
Scoring a groove on the rim. See it better here.
Can you see the score line?
Now I ask you, how long would it take to part off the inner wheel rim??
With that boomerang shaped piece of poxy rotten tin plate in the bin I am now looking for some used rubber.
The saga continues on the rust bucket Pinin
yeah my rim to caliper clearance is tight - but clears and i've never had gravel or sand cause issues so far.
looks like the backing has rusted and collapsed down fouling - the alloy's are pretty thick so I wouldn't worry.
Agreed, the scoring would have taken weeks. More of a risk was it catching up in the wheels components!!
If it clears, it clears..........does for me!!
I will leave the plate off anyway as the wheels themselves offer plenty of protection plus I am not taking this off road like most of you do. I cross
fields weekly in the summer but that's about it - it is mainly a pavement princess to climb kerbs and deal with snow.
Just grabbed some part worn 225 70 16 Duelers really really cheap so it means I can "experiment" with fit and not have wasted too much dosh if they do not fit. Should know what's what in about a week.
So it begins
cool - let us know how they fit.
Got the tyres this morning and have had one fitted to try. They are part worn 225 70 16 with approx 5mm of tread.
This is what you have all been waiting for.....a PICTURE.
That gap - saddle to tyre - is aproxximately 5+mm.
Strut to tyre is way bigger than it looks here.
Needless to say I am so relieved that it clears as, to date, it had all been mathematics. Everywhere else ther is loads of clearance.
The rims were in a delapidated state so they are being painted and only one is black so far as I ran out of paint and so did Wilko!!
Just a hunch but I think a new tyre would fit as long as the tread depth is no more than 10mm.
More pics to follow when the tyres are fitted, rims all blacked and the lot are mounted on to the vehicle.
What rim will you use
I should be picking up a set of 225/70R16 Scorpions for my GV sometime in the next month or two - I could mount one on the iO spare and see how it fits ...
I have those on my Rav and they are superb.
The FTO wheels move the tyre farther away from the strut abd that helps with clearance to the saddle as the saddle angles upward as it goes outwards. I am not at all sure that a 225 is gonna fit under there on a regular rim.
Got the slide rule out
If you follow Bob's wheel thingy the FTOs are -38mm offset if I remember correctly.
I much prefer backspace measuring to offset.
This becomes interesting. The math is sort of approximate so feel free to correct it where necessary.
It is quite an eye opener.
The -38mm offset gives a bigger frontspace which pushes the rim farther out but don't forget the FTOs are 6½ J (165mm - I wish metric measures had never been invented).So the backspace will be 82.5mm + 38mm = 120.5mm
With the 6J (153mm) rims that have an offset of -44mm the backspace comes to..................tada.............76.5mm + 44mm = 120.5mm.
So it looks like the clearances from the strut will be the same!!! The inner rim will lie in the same plane.
Out of interest it looks to me it is not going to achieve the same as fitting spacers in terms of clearance!!!
However the fatter tyre will not spread as much on a 6J as it would on a 6½ J and that may very possibly push the tread up enough to foul the saddle.
As I see it then, the main - if not only - advantage of the FTOs is to give a wider track and a base for a fatter tyre.
I'll get the tyres fitted tomoz all being well and we'll have some pics of the finished effect.
wheel and tyres
Weldone on painting these wheel black.
Regarding the tyre size and the offset of the wheel, I use this site to calculate http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator
On thing you need to keep in mind is that even if the inner edge of the rim is about the same (2 mm more room from what that site say) the tyre is centered on the rim. In this case with the Fto rim you have 2 mm more innner clearance and the outside rim is 14 mm more out. So, the center of the tyre is (14 mm- 2 mm= 12 mm, 12 mm/2=6mm) 6 mm more away from the strut. So the inner edge of the tyre is about 6 mm more out of the Fto wheel than the original io (pinin!) wheel. From your picture, it looks a bit short to fit this tyre on an original io wheel, or very close !!!
I hope I make sense ! I love metric :)
Happy io
Bring back feet
On thing you need to keep in mind is that even if the inner edge of the rim is about the same (2 mm more room from what that site say) the tyre is centered on the rim.
Happy io
It's all theory and the actual practice can be different but the inner edge being in the same position puts the tyre in the same position too give or take the various variations that occur. The FTO has a lip which the OE alloy does not have. so that affects things. Only answer really is to suck it and see.
Colour match
Weldone on painting these wheel black.
Thanks
The pic above is washed out through flash over exposure. Hopefully the black against green (yuck) on silver will look better in natural light.
Gold is my favourite colour for wheels but against silver would not work well.
Piccies
Some pics of the finished set up. The difference, apart from the obvious black wheels, is subtle. It is higher, wider and much more man like.
It is a good job I got five as one fell on the floor and was dented. I have removed the dent so it will be fine as the spare.
Syndicate
backing plate
yeah my rim to caliper clearance is tight - but clears and i've never had gravel or sand cause issues so far.
looks like the backing has rusted and collapsed down fouling - the alloy's are pretty thick so I wouldn't worry.
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