Help needed
Hi all, new to this forum and looking for help/advise. I own a 2000 MY 3 door Pinin 1.8 GDI which I am looking to modify. My original thoughts were 35mm front and rear spring lift from Euro4X4 and some 215/65/16 MT tyres. As I am sure you are all aware the MT's will not fit due to the close proximity of the front spring cups to the front tyres. I understand that KYB do some front struts that has 25mm higher spring cups than standard. I pressume these will also lift the front 25mm. I saw a post from Euro4X4 on Pistonheads website that suggested KYB struts front and rear and Desert Fox coils, it does not say how much lift will be gained using these components or what size tyres can be run. Any feedback or advise would be welcomed.
Just out of curiosity ...
Why should a stock sized MT not fit? That is - assuming you could find an MT in the stock size - I'm having a hard enough time locating ATs in the stock size, which, according to the tire placard on my car would seem to be a 215/70R16. Have you tried one? Where did it foul?
strut and tyres
As Fordem explain...I think that you may have a bit of a confusion, 215/65/16 fit on all io, it is the standard size (at least in Australia). In order to go forward in your help, let start by the beginning....
Check this thread http://www.pajerio.com/forum/strut-data . This will tell you what strut you have.
If you have the lower plate strut, by replacing them by the higher spring plate and keeping your spring you will get close to 30 mm lift and you should be able to fit bigger tyres than the 215/65/16 such as 225/75/16.
For the rear , you can reset your spring, use front Mazda Astina spring, spacer..... and with 30/40 mm you can safely keep the same model shock absorber.
Let us know and send a few pictures...
Happy io.
Fordem I have not tried an MT
Fordem I have not tried an MT pattern tyre, but have been advised by a local 4x4 tyre supplier that they definately foul the spring cup due to the deeper tread pattern. Standard size in the UK is 215/65/16 so if Austarlia has 215/70/16 as standard, that might explain why there are two different types of front strut available.
Don, yes I am from the UK I
Don, yes I am from the UK I have copied and pasted the piece from PH below. I have also spoken to Nick at Euro 4x4 who says that they have ordered in the KYB shocks and compared them to standard and the spring pan in the same place. I have sent him the KYB part no. ending in 05 for the front struts so he can investigate further. I have also copied over the part no.s from KYB Europe catalouge which would seem to give the lower spring pan shock as a replacement.
MANUFACTURER
MODEL / FAHRZUEG / MODELE
K-TYP NO
| Parts for the front axle | |
|---|---|
| Part No | Part |
| 334813 | Excel-G |
| 910029 | Protection Kit |
| Parts for the rear axle | |
| Part No | Part |
| 343802 | Excel-G |
First of all, thanks for contacting Euro4x4parts!
I would recommend the Belton Desert Fox coils (2 x URB1106 - front + 2 x URB1107 -rear) for your SWB Pinin. They offer 35-40mm lift.
Price: 83,61 euros each (excluding VAT/delivery) IN STOCK
As far as I know, no brand offers struts/shocks specifically for a Pinin suspension lift but we normally recommend the Kayaba range (2 x AMJ1085 - front + 2 x AMJ1086 - rear)
The Kayaba front struts have a reputation for lifting the Pinin by about 20-25mm because the coil seat is slightly higher than standard.
Price: AMJ1085 96,99 euros, AMJ1086 81,19 euros (excluding VAT/delivery). Currently not in stock but we can normally restock rapidly
Just let me know where you are based (delivery address) and I'll prepare a proper quote for you including delivery.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Best regards
Nick
Nick OULD
EURO4X4PARTS.COM
France : 2214 RN 10 - 40440 ONDRES,
Phone : +33 (0) 5 59 45 11 44
Fax : +33 (0) 5 59 45 11 55
Email : nick@euro4x4parts.com
strut
Fordem is not from Australia, but Guyana and I could be wrong (please correct me...and don't tell my wife!.) his io have the lower spring plate, this strut can still take the 215/70/16.
In Australia the standard size for the io is 215/65/16 but 215/70/16 in Guyana, don't ask me why!!
I think that he meant that there isn't mud tyres in this size available, at least in Guyana, and I haven't seen them in Australia either.
Your supplier wrote :The Kayaba front struts have a reputation for lifting the Pinin by about 20-25mm because the coil seat is slightly higher than standard."
This is what we used to think here too, that the KYB strut (different brand, same problem) have the reputation to give a lift of 25 mm.The problem is that too many people don't know the existance of the 2 struts, and sometime they get lucky with the set up. This said, if you have the lower spring plate, and if this Kayaba is higher, it will work, you will get a lift but check your strut first because if you have the higher spring plates chances are that you won't get a lift.
We are a bit far from you, and you might discover a new set up that we are not aware of.
What I am sure of is if you have the higher spring plate, you can fit some 225/75/16 as your close neighbours (Baskeheurs, and many other here! me included) has done to his io http://pajerio.com/forum/baskeheurs-pinin-lwb-20-belgium
If I remember correctly, Fordem as mentioned the reference from the KYB europe for the 2 strut models, may be you could used that.
Happy io....
My iO is a used JDM vehicle.
In Guyana few people pay attention to stock tire sizes (I do) - most people will buy "foreign used" tires (I avoid them), and whatever fits, fits - but you guys don't need to hear me rant on that. On the mud tires - I've heard of some being larger than others, but, this does not hold true across the board, and it is my suspicion that even with the low pan struts there should be room for a mud tire in a 215/65R16 - if you can find one - there is certainly enough room for a 215/70R16 all terrain and that is almost an inch larger (27.01 as compared to 27.83) - I've never bought a mud tire, and probably never will - my vehicles are expected to spend more of their time on asphalt so all terrains is what I look for - right now I'm in the market for two sets of ATs, one in the 215/65R16 size and the other in a 215/70R16 - there are none available in Guyana, and all I can find in the US is Yokohama Geolandar - I was hoping for Falken WildPeaks, but they are not sold in the US in that size.
KYB & Kayaba are actually the same company, and the "part numbers" being quoted there are probably Euro 4x4's stock numbers, since they don't correspond with any KYB numbers. My expectation is that you're going to by Euro 4x4 that they can't source the 334405 strut (334405 is a Japanese number), and if you order from them, make sure they will accept a return with no restocking fee, as I believe the 334813 part is low pan, going from memory there is another forum member who tried them.
I tried to get new struts
I tried to get new struts earlier this year, I am also in the uk, I was in contact with camskill who said they were able to get kyb 334405 however the struts they sent to me were not these and were the same as I already have, will be interested to see how you get on, I bought some escort springs for the rear at the time although I have not tried them yet , not much point raising the rear alone
Andy
strut
Andy, I think that UK have the same problem that we have here....no one know about the 2 different types of strut, and they gave you one thinking they are all the same....
The other problem is most of the time supplier have a very good listing of parts and most of the time we trust them.... here the struts of the io is a complete "stuff up" and many people (like you!) unfortunately end up with the wrong parts.....or wrong set up.... see http://pajerio.com/forum/kingspring-and-kyb-mix
What you could do is add what you found (this is for all member from Europe), as reference number/brand/sizes in our strut data, like that after a few feedback from your side of the world we will have a better idea of what is what.....this would be very valuable input for the next "want to lift my car" Euro forum member....
Happy io
KYB Europe/Australia
I contacted KYB Australia and this is what I got. For people from Europe....unfortunately KYB is not an option for you.....Sad because they are a good product, but now we know....
Happy io
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012 1:35 PM
To: Custservice
Subject: [KYB Web Contact]
Name: Claude Address: NSW/ACT
Query:
Comments: Hello, I am one of the admin of a forum called
\"pajerio.com.au\". You have listed 2 different type of strut for the
pajero io, ref 334442 and 334405. The 334405 have the lower spring plate
25 mm higher than the 334442. In the forum we have sorted what is doing
what, as the spring is different too. I know that Kingspring have
contacted you regarding the 2 different strut and spring recently.
My question is do you have the equivalent part number for Europe as
their listing, that I could find, have only one reference number 334813,
this one is unfortunately the same as the 334442. Could you find a
reference to match the Australian 334405 as this strut is used more
often as it can accommodate bigger tyres. This is a link to our strut
data http://www.pajerio.com/forum/strut-data
You can see there the different strut.
I hope that you will be able to help us, Thank you very much for your
time and thank you for making parts for our io.
From: Customer Service - General <salesngk@ngkspark.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, 29 November 2012 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: [KYB Web Contact]
Afternoon Claude,
As you are aware we only sell the front strut KYB P/N: 334405. Please
note however that this is excluding O.E. part number MR319792 & MR455401
as these sturts have a different spring seat height. I'm not sure though
which strut has which spring seat height.
Kind Regards,
Hello, thank you for your reply,
The strange part is that KYB Austalia sell the higher spring seat, (the only one as you mentioned, and it is good to know), and KYB Europe only sell the lower spring seat. This is a bit sad....and confusing to say the least....
I will put your reply in the forum,
Thank you for your time.
Claude
Firstly thanks to Claude for
Firstly thanks to Claude for all the work/research, and you are right by saying that the companies supplying aftermarket parts are unaware of the two different type of front struts. I spoke to KYB in the UK and gave them the part numbers listed on here ending in 05 and 13. The guy checked the technical drawings and the measurment for the spring cup is the same 285mm. I then spoke to local Mitsubushi dealer who confirmed that there are two different struts and front springs available for the Pinin depending on model year. They would not give me part numbers and Mitsubushi UK seemed reluctant to tell the dealer what the difference between the two was. The only thing they did tell me is the earlier vehicle has white colour springs and the later one blue colour springs, not sure why but my springs are black ??
I have come to the conclusion that KYB replacement struts are therfore all the ones with higher spring cup ( I could be wrong ). If anyone has a part no. for KYB with lower spring cup please let me know. Next step is to find out if Belton Desert Fox coils are designed to lift the car 35-40mm with low or high spring cup struts. If they are designed for higher spring cup they are probably only 10-15mm longer than springs on vehicles with lower spring cup ( hope that makes sense ).
I therefore hope to replace fornt struts with KYB higher spring cup, and front and rear springs with Belton. This should hopefully give me 35-40mm lift all round and then change tyres to 225/75/16 Khumo KL71 or General AT2.
euro lift
The mitsi part number for the low pan strut here is MR455401 - this is stamped onto the strut itself. Fordem's strut data thread has info that suggests this is equivalent to KYB 334813 in Europe - you could ask your parts guy about that number.
The strut data thread is here - recommended reading for you if you haven't already seen it... http://www.pajerio.com/forum/strut-data
Before you buy springs, given the potential for error, I would recommend you get actual measurements of the parts before they send them to you including uncompressed height and thickness of the coil.
Incidentally my early '99 (low pan so tall spring) springs are black.
All OEM springs are black
The springs are identified by a paint "splotch" on the upper coils, and I believe most vehicles will have two different springs, left & right, or, driver side & passenger side - my 98 uses one pink, one light blue - if necessary I can create a spring data thread listing the colors by year & side, I can also provide pictures as I have new springs that I will probably install this week - if the weather co-operates.
This is what new OEM springs look like ...
This is a pair of new OEM springs - the colored ID paint markings are clearly visible - the pink spring is the right (driver side), part number MR316709, the light blue is the left (passenger side), part number MR316706 - please note the driver's side spring is taller - based on the part numbers I have seen the same spring is not used on both sides of the vehicle at the same time.
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Hi there, Things my research
Hi there,
Things my research on this forum and internet learned me:
All pinin's have low spring plates stock.(euro cars)
3 vs 5-door models have different front springs.(3-doors are shorter)
Old 3-door: 365 uncompressed L&R
new 3-door: 365 Left hand side 376 R.H. side
5-door: 376 L.H. side 386 R.H. side.
These are the specs from the mitsu work-shop-manual.
These are for RHD pinin. LHD pinin has same spring left and right,3-door 365,5-door 376
all KYB euro numbers are for low plates.
Camskill have the "High plate Io KYB's" <==334405
I have them waiting to be put on.
Measured them and they are 270mm from bottom to spring plate weld.
stock tire size is 215/65/16
"road tires" have 8mm thread. I have placed 4 new tires this year and have +-2cm clearance between pan and tire.
MT tires have +-14mm thread ==> Less clearance when same tire size
My general grabbers on my vw buggy have 8mm thread(AT)
Stock tire size only has AT tires in range that I can find
Kind regards,
Bas
interesting...
It has been a learning week !!!
About the KYB strut, that is what I understood, but was not 100 % sure: that the only one made in Australia was the high spring seat and KYB in Europe only make the low spring seat.....confusing ??? for us, in Australia, it can be !!! but if, as you wrote, all io/pinin have the low spring seat, I can understand....
Very good to know about the "Camskill" this will help a lot of Euro io/pinin owner.
About the difference in the spring this is, again, interesting.....
I think that we need to upgrade some of the suspension thread.....
Happy io/pinin....
strut data
It has been a learning week !!!
I think that we need to upgrade some of the suspension thread.....
Happy io/pinin....
Camskill is an UK parts distributor that I found when I had my mitsu evo 1. There I could order all parts I needed,as the early evo's are verry rare here in Belgium.
Now I found out that they also have the struts,and they also sell tires. My MT's also came from them.
It's been lot's of learning since I found this forum,so I hope I can also contribute my small knowledge about pinin's.
Maybe an idea for a new topic: suspension setup
A post per car with exact front rear suspension setup if known(and willing to share)
So strut numbers(MB,KYB),type of spring,and wheel to fender height,wheel size and tire size.
And a side picture.
Might that not be handy for people who are trying to find the right setup for their cars?
Data about strut numbers,... can always be found in the strut data topic.
kind regards,
Bas
KYB 334405
Will be interested to see if you get your struts from cams kill, as I ordered from them and they sent me the same ones as I already have, maybe they now have access to 334405 Andy
Hi, I have these struts.
The measurment I gave is for the 334405 strut which I took out of my garage and measured up.
Checked the part number also.
Came from camskill last month.
Id did order them through the specific part number, not a shogun pinin strut.
check your KYB strut for part number.
Also check part number on your MB strut.
Maybe I will try again then,
Maybe I will try again then, as when I ordered camskill guy spoke to kyb whilst. I Was on the phone and they confirmed the measurement but still sent out wrong one, so did you just ring them and ask for 334405's, also how much we're they , think I was going to pay £120 each from memory
Andy
Camskill
Maybe I will try again then, as when I ordered camskill guy spoke to kyb whilst. I Was on the phone and they confirmed the measurement but still sent out wrong one, so did you just ring them and ask for 334405's, also how much we're they , think I was going to pay £120 each from memory Andy
Sorry to Hi-jack the other guys topic,but I just ordered them on their site.
The KYB 334405's.
Got a confirmation that it would take some time, but got them within 3 weeks.
Price no idea, shouln't be much more than advertisd on their site.
Bas, I thought you were
Bas, I thought you were running 225/70/16 Khumo KL71 from previous post on this site. Are you running these on low spring pan strut ? The reason I ask is that I do not believe I can run these on my 2000 MY 1.8 GDI 3 door ( UK ). There are MT pattern tyres available in 215/65/16 but only on re-tread I have posted a link below for a UK supplier.
http://tyresdirectuk.co.uk/shop/search.php
KYB struts
Further to my previous post Camskill now have both the lower and higher spring pan struts available for the Pinin. The photo below shows strut dimensions and part no.s for both. Thanks to Jim at Camskill for ordering both struts in and for the work done below. Anyone in Europe requiring parts for the Pinin or any other car I would strongly suggest contacting Camskill as they are extremely helpful and knowledgeable.
Here is their link http://www.camskill.co.uk/
Syndicate
Welcome
Welcome to the forums.
Mostly we've found 2000 onwards models have the later high spring pan I thought, but if you're a PHer I assume you're in the UK, and I think we've seen someone else from there had a later model car with the low spring pan also. Anyway, my point is just to check and be sure you don't already have the higher pan, but assuming you've done that...
I don't know anything about Desert Fox coils - have you got a link to them and the PH post you mention?
Yes the later strut with a refitted standard spring will lift the front 25-30mm.
The io doesn't have struts at the rear - there's just two springs, two dampers and an axle :)
Cheers
Don