KYB Lifted Shocks
Hello All,
Ok guys I final got my lifted shocks in the week and managed to fit them today. I must say if you have the right tools, a std 2007 VW Polo jack, your best mate and beer........it not that difficuilt. LOL On the first one taking it out was not that difficult, its putting them back where I had some problems
Loosen the 3 bolts inside the bonnet
Loosen the 2 bolt that is located on the caliper. With all the bolts loosened you can take the whole strud assembly out by hand.
With the 2 coil clamps, you can secure the coil and loosen the top nut keeping the complete assembly together.
Insert your new shock and put everything together.
Ok so for me this was the easy part. When you put the assembly back into the car (on mine) the caliper fitment holes and the
strut assembly did not allign. (They never do??? LOL) Ok so this is where the VW polo jack came in. Using the jack I jacked
the caliber (disc brake pad) downwards and inserting the 2 bolts. I spoke to Jaco later and he said that the 2 bolts should have
alligned strangly enough as I took them out the strut bounced out of its position.
Ok so long story short, its in and I dead tired. LOL
KYB
Hi Glen
KYB makes two different struts for the IO. One with a higher spring base (25mm) and one for Mitsubishi (STD) which the dealers sell.
Fielies actually ordered the wrong ones but luckily they replaced it with the higher ones.
Will send you some pics tonight aswell as the two different part nrs.
Regards
Jaco
KYB part numbers
Ok the part numbers are as follows
Kyb std 33442
Kyb lift 334405
You can fit slightly larger tyres on but not much. I know Jaco has 225/70/16??? on. Going 235 is pushing it I think. Hopefully I will get the 30 or 50mm spacers tomorrow they going for fitment test. Size: 245/70/16 on lifted KYB strut. Hopefully with the spacer we will clear the spring seat and fit these tyres. I cant wait.
It seems the numbers change depending on which KYB site you use.
I took my list of numbers down to the local KYB dealer - not only did he not have none of them in stock, none of them were in his book (KYB Japan) - so we looked up the vehicle and it shows 334405 for the front, and 343408 for the rear - KYB Australia shows the same numbers, but KYB Europe shows 334813 for the dront and 343802 for the rear.
I've also found a UK site where I can enter the Mitusbishi part number and it gives me a KYB equivalent - MR319792 (front) returns 334442 and MR319750 (rear) returns 343408.
The good news (for me) is, the KYB guy is going to order 3 pairs front & rear so when I'm ready, I can take one of mine in they will be available.
pics of struts
KYB makes two different struts for the IO. One with a higher spring base (25mm) and one for Mitsubishi (STD) which the dealers sell.
Fielies actually ordered the wrong ones but luckily they replaced it with the higher ones.
will send you some pics tonight aswell as the two different part nrs.
Regards
Jaco
I looked up the part number for the lifted shocks and all I find are pajero jr struts, not io struts.
Any chance of a pic showing the new clearance?
PS are the struts the same maximum length as stock? i.e. no extra droop?
Thanks for the pics of the install, I know it's on my list of to-do's
Here is the clearance after I
Here is the clearance after I installed my lifted KYB and fitted the 245/70/16 as shown in my post http://www.pajerio.com/forum/fielies-south-african-io#comment-521 so have a look there. Bear in mind a 30mm spacer was also fitted to get the wheel away from the strut. I should have fitted it without the spacer but i doubt that it would have fitted underneath the strut. The part numbers I supplied was the ones found on the KYB boxes.
The whole shock assembly on the lifted one is the same as the std one, only difference is, is that the strut pan in 25mm higher
I look at those pictures and
I look at those pictures and I just cannot believe my eyes - you put new struts in and couldn't be bothered to replace the old torn strut boots? You also left the bump stops out when you reassembled the struts.
The rubber boots that go over the struts protect the strut rods from dust & dirt contamination - for a few dollars more you could have replaced them, and extended the life of your new struts.
I thought it would have came
I thought it would have came with the new shocks but to my disappoint it didnt, seems to me its also a vey had thing to get hold off in RSA. I heard the the Ford Terretory takes the same boot and even that I couldnt find. Still looking for ones and will then fit them. The shock travel is the same as the std, the only diff is that the pan is welded 25mm higher.
Out here (I'm in Guyana,
Out here (I'm in Guyana, South America), we just take the torn old boot down to the nearest auto parts place and say get me two of these - it's a generic piece of corrugated rubber, and the only "semi-critical" dimension is the diameter of the hole where the shaft passes - it should be be a snug fit on the strut.
You can take this approach with other parts - the struts for example - and they will find you something with similar dimensions that will fit, but there's no guarantee that the valving in the strut suits your requirements, so I would only do it with "non-critical" items
Bumpstops are available
Bumpstops are available almost anywhere, Pick a length, any length :) http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Bump-Stops/Shape/Round-tapered/?Ns=Rank|Asc
A boot for the dust/mud should not be to hard either http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Shock-Boots/?keyword=shock+...
The boot and bump stops are
The boot and bump stops are integrated as one part on the Pajero io, yours has broke away from the boot as had one of mine.
You can see the bump stop on the top of your strut here.
On my io there are 3 segments on the bump stop instead of the 2 yours shows (mine is top plus 2 rather than top plus 1 yours has) there is also another segment hidden under the boot.
CHEERS FOR THE INFO ABOUT
CHEERS FOR THE INFO ABOUT BUMP STOPS!
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GET SOME NEW STRUT BOOTS WHEN I READ YOUR POST ABOUT THEM BEING AN INTERGRATED PART.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE TO SOURCE THIS PART? I TRIED MY LOCAL MITSU DEALER AND THEY COULDN'T HELP, THAT SAID THE GUY WHO SERVED ME SEEMED A LITTLE "SLOW", SO I MIGHT TRY AGAIN WHEN HE'S NOT THERE.
ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
Guys I went onto the
Guys I went onto the www.gabriel.com website and saw they have a strut cushion part number: 143057. Im not sure if you get Gabriels over there. They will def work. But as any other product for the IO they are busy sourcing it now for me. 
I have a 2002 IO with a
I have a 2002 IO with a dobinsons lift and stock struts. Unfortunately, it results in my car looking like its scraping its nose - the car just does not sit level anymore.
I was considering buying the 25mm higher KYB struts, and placing this with my 30mm springs to achieve a level frront again. The only question is, will my 30mm springs cause the 25mm "higher" KYB struts to max out? Or do the 25mm higher versions have longer travel?
Both.
By lifting the pan you lift the lower end of the spring relative to the ground, so the upper end of the spring (and the car) are also lifted - in addition there is more room below the pan to accomodate a larger tire.
Of course this only lifts one end of the car - the front - you'll have to lift the rear using a longer spring or coil spacers.
i wouldnt count on the kyb's
i wouldnt count on the kyb's being 25mm higher, i think you will find that you already have the higher strut on your 2002 iO. The kyb's i bought were an exact replacement of my stock kyb's which came on the car originally. i can just fit 29's under the strut, my guess is that there were 2 different struts in two different year models, definately check before buying anything, i am very sceptical about the whole 25mm strut business. let me know what you find out!
I have taken some
I have taken some measurements of my stock 2002 model struts - pics are in my members ride thread.
I am now almost convinced the 25mm higher struts are for the update model ios - as my cars stock struts will fit 29's easy and 30's I believe will fit with the right offset.
Guys Im not sure if the later
Guys Im not sure if the later models already have the lifted KYB struts fitted. Remember KYB are the OEM supplier on shocks/struts into the Mitsu factory. You get the std KYB & the lifted KYB strut. I fitted the lifted one and its defintly 25mm higher. Please take note that its only the pan that is 25mm welded higher and not the shock it self that is 25mm higher.
Different strut
We know for sure that there are two different strut, but what about the spring and shock? If the bottom plate is 25 mm higher, would the spring be shorter to compensate? That might explain why the 30 mm lift spring does often give 50 mm, or so, lift...Just a thought...
I just had another one, concerning Fordem's car. He said that it has been in an accident. Imagine that the person repairing the car, found a bent strut, and replaced it by one with a different lower plate's high, using the original spring?
Happy io
Ahhhh - the strut wasn't damaged and wasn't replaced.
I have a reasonably good idea of the history of the vehicle, at least from the time it was imported into Guyana (it is a used JDM export) and there was no suspension damage when the accident occured - still, I could check the strut - it should have the part number stamped on it (the other side does), I just need to remove the wheel to verify it.
spring rates
We know for sure that there are two different strut, but what about the spring and shock? If the bottom plate is 25 mm higher, would the spring be shorter to compensate? That might explain why the 30 mm lift spring does often give 50 mm, or so, lift...Just a thought...
I just had another one, concerning Fordem's car. He said that it has been in an accident. Imagine that the person repairing the car, found a bent strut, and replaced it by one with a different lower plate's high, using the original spring?
Happy io
spring rates listed don't show a 25mm difference between 2000 and 2002 models however I don't know if the 1999 model is different again.
(format is: 14mm wire wound into a 160mm diameter coil that is 365mm long when uncompressed)
14x160x365 : Old 3dr and 5dr 2000 era
14x160x376: new 2002 3door drivers side spring only OR 2002 5 door passenger spring
14x160x386: new 2002 5door driver side spring.
..so if someone wanted a mild lift to a pre or post 2002 3door, a set of 2002 5 door struts with springs would be a good starting point. -
This is something i'll be looking at with my 3door io as I need a set of doner struts to chop up for the koni inserts, combine this with 11mm lift would make a difference combined with a 1" over all strut lengthen with the koni insert worth while.
Interestingly the rear springs show a 1mm shortening of the free length on the 2001 model HOWEVER this is for the euro model with the rear sway bar that was introduced to make it lower and more stable at autobahn speeds, not the domestic australian farmyard version.
Bob
Syndicate
Good work mate!. Just to
Good work mate!.
Just to confirm the KYB lift is a myth, the KYB struts do not actually lift the car. the spring perches are in the STD position? You can not fit larger tyres?
And for next time, The easy option is to jack up the entire front of the car so both front wheels are off the ground, that way you don't have the sway bar pushing the A arm up making it hard to get the strut in/out. Much simpler than having to jack the A arm down :)