WTB - Front or Rear Locker
It's just come tax time and I am looking at a hefty return, trying to invest and gain access to the lifted & locked IO club ;)
Looking for:
- Big Pajero Gen 1 10 Bolt RG1 Banjo Rear Diff with factory/aftermarket Locker OR
- Locker to fit 28 Spline (ARB Number RD210) / RD05 OR
- Any locker combination that will fit a 2002 Pajero IO Auto, prefer rear locker over front at this stage - Happy to swap complete diff in if neccasary
Cheers Simmo!!
Edit: The cheapest price I got for a new locker was $1900 installed with air compressor from ARB with warranty etc etc.. Considering my IO only owes me 5-6K not including maintenance I'd be happy to muck around with a cheap second hand Gen 1 diff w/Locker and keep my good factory LSD rear diff in the shed etc
Eaton Harrop
If you choose the ARB one, upgrade the compressor to be able to pump your tyres with it. The one for the locker only is too small for inflating the tyres. They fitted mine under the driver seat, great to use.
While I am 110% happy with the ARB locker, I did get 3 times some oil in the air line, fixed with NO problem at no cost to me every time, but annoying! . Since it is now perfect.
If ARB can fit one, maybe a e-locker from eaton could be a option too.
A front one will be great too!
Happy io
I try to get in contact!! Awaiting this years response just to see :)
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Obviously I am very happy to go down the ARB air locker path after reading good reviews on here and seeing Bobs have a caining in the flesh but thought I'd use the ARB vs Harrop to see if they'll bite and manufacture IO e lockers ;)
ARB
yeah i've got the little one - i should have bought the big compressor but didn't - ah well.
my ARB still blows oil out a little bit - been back 3 times no joy - using it often does help and frankly oiling my chassis is helping fight corrosion!
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given the low greek dollar value - maybe time to purchase the front lockers!!!
Update - LOKKA
May be a LOKKA alternative, just finding options here guys!! ARB still seems the best bet regardless of any oil issues. Being able to engage/disengage is great.
If someone knows the details of the front diff it would be sweet to have an auto lokka in teh front that only gets engaged when in 4x4, happily sacrifice the ability to drive 4H onroad for front locker at the ~$600 range and then get an ARB rear
From: its_simmo@hotmail.com
To: iorders@4wdsystems.com.au
Subject: RE: 4WD Systems Web Enquiry
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 18:15:44 +1030
Hi Tom,
Wish I was an expert! Just have done a lot of homework and swapped in a same model wrecker diff when I broke the center of my last LSD rear (long story)
Currently in the rear is an LSD 28 Spline 10 Bolt RG1 8 inch Banjo diff, and I made a mistake its the RD05 which has since been replaced by the RD210 in the ARB air locker range that fits into this diff.
I do not know the size of the front diff unfortunately but I can confirm its open diff not LSD. It is most likely what's in the same as the gen 1 4 cylinder front diffs.
Great to hear you make a lokka for my rear! Can you give any estimate for supply of a lokka to fit?
And do you know of any reputable mechanics who are competent with lokka install around Brisbane?
Cheers,
James
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 19:13:56 +0930
> From: iorders@4wdsystems.com.au
> To: its_simmo@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: 4WD Systems Web Enquiry
>
> Hi James,
> OK, you are the Expert!
> I am not that familiar with the diff is the iO, but if you are sure its
> the same axle spline, then we would have a model to suit.
>
> Is it a std open centre of LSD?
>
> What diff do they have in the Front? (the small 7.25" like the 4 cyl
> Pajero?)
>
>
> thx
> tom
>
>
>
> On 07/08/15 11:04, its_simmo@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 4WD Systems Web Enquiry
> >
> > Contact Details
> >
> > Name: James
> > Phone:
> > Mobile:
> > Country: Australia
> > Closest INTL Airport: Brisbane
> > Postcode: 4017
> >
> > Vehicle Information
> >
> > Make: Mitsubishi
> > Model: QLD
> > Model Code: Pajero IO
> > Specification Level: QA
> > Fuel Types: Petrol / Gasoline Only
> > Engine Type: Electronic Fuel Injection
> > Engine Designation: 4G94
> > Engine Size: 4 cyl
> > Vehicle Year: 2002
> > Trans. Type: Automatic
> > 4WD Type: Super Select
> > Body Type: Wagon (4 Door)
> > Suspension: Coil : Coil
> > Vehicle Wheelbase: Long
> > Aftermarket Turbo fitted?: No
> > Accessories: Lift + tyres
> >
> > Message / Questions:
> > Do you sell a LOKKA to suit a Pajero IO rear diff?\r\nIt is the same diff as a 10 Bolt RG1 8 inch Banjo diff found in the Gen 1 V6 big pajeros. 28 spline diff, ARB make air lockers under RD110 and RD210 to suit.\r\n\r\nCheers,\r\nJames
> From: iorders@4wdsystems.com.au
> To: its_simmo@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: 4WD Systems Web Enquiry
>
> Hi James,
> OK, you are the Expert!
> I am not that familiar with the diff is the iO, but if you are sure its
> the same axle spline, then we would have a model to suit.
>
> Is it a std open centre of LSD?
>
> What diff do they have in the Front? (the small 7.25" like the 4 cyl
> Pajero?)
>
>
> thx
> tom
>
>
>
> On 07/08/15 11:04, its_simmo@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 4WD Systems Web Enquiry
> >
> > Contact Details
> >
> > Name: James
> > Phone:
> > Mobile:
> > Country: Australia
> > Closest INTL Airport: Brisbane
> > Postcode: 4017
> >
> > Vehicle Information
> >
> > Make: Mitsubishi
> > Model: QLD
> > Model Code: Pajero IO
> > Specification Level: QA
> > Fuel Types: Petrol / Gasoline Only
> > Engine Type: Electronic Fuel Injection
> > Engine Designation: 4G94
> > Engine Size: 4 cyl
> > Vehicle Year: 2002
> > Trans. Type: Automatic
> > 4WD Type: Super Select
> > Body Type: Wagon (4 Door)
> > Suspension: Coil : Coil
> > Vehicle Wheelbase: Long
> > Aftermarket Turbo fitted?: No
> > Accessories: Lift + tyres
> >
> > Message / Questions:
> > Do you sell a LOKKA to suit a Pajero IO rear diff?\r\nIt is the same diff as a 10 Bolt RG1 8 inch Banjo diff found in the Gen 1 V6 big pajeros. 28 spline diff, ARB make air lockers under RD110 and RD210 to suit.\r\n\r\nCheers,\r\nJames
I would NOT recommend an auto-un-locker for the front.
Not too many people seem to be aware the so called automatic lockers are really automatic unlockers - they default to a locked mode, and allow which ever wheel is turning faster to free run - this is fine on a vehicle with free wheeling hubs, which disconnect completely, but on an iO, the right wheel is always connected - the vacuum freewheel mechanism only disconnects the left wheel.
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Not too many people seem to be aware the so called automatic lockers are really automatic unlockers - they default to a locked mode, and allow which ever wheel is turning faster to free run - this is fine on a vehicle with free wheeling hubs, which disconnect completely, but on an iO, the right wheel is always connected - the vacuum freewheel mechanism only disconnects the left wheel.
Yeha I saw some review of the Kaiser auto lockers on here here having that problem, seems an electronic mechanical OR air locker is the way to go.
ARB..
Well i have requested another quote from ARB and seen a huge change in prices...
December 14 - Nundah Store Email quote: $1995 supply and fit with normal Compressor
December 14 - Caboolture ARB Chrismast special $1799
July 15 - Nundah Store Email : $1793 + $563 (with bigger compressor) totalling $2356
Awaiting to hear why there is such a huge difference in prices.. Especially a ~$600 price spike in 6 months!!!!
air compressor upgrade
$563 for the upgrade, really ! What a joke! At the time it was around $150 extra for mine. $563 extra is too much. I think that I have the arb-ckma12 and it should cost around $300 + kit to inflate tyres ($50 to $80?) Then you need to deduct the cost of the one included in the quote, the arb cksa12 ?? at around $170. Fitting should be very close in price.
So it should be close to (300 + 80) - 180 = $200 NOT $563 !!
IMO anyway
Happy io
hmmmmm
$563 for the upgrade, really ! What a joke! At the time it was around $150 extra for mine. $563 extra is too much. I think that I have the arb-ckma12 and it should cost around $300 + kit to inflate tyres ($50 to $80?) Then you need to deduct the cost of the one included in the quote, the arb cksa12 ?? at around $170. Fitting should be very close in price.
So it should be close to (300 + 80) - 180 = $200 NOT $563 !!
IMO anyway
Happy io
Totally totally agree with you!! The PDF quote I got as the "christmas special: was $995 for the locker, $200 for compressor and seals and $800 fo install.. and Caboolture could do it for $1799 when they saw that quote... That was wth the RD210, RDPROMO CKMA12 171302 + Fitment..
Can't understand how a bigger compressor with air line = $563 when the standard is $200..
I intend to go to the ARB caboolture day and see if we can work out a price!!! Seemingly happy with ARB's after sales support bu don't want to pay 2grand+ for a rear locker :'(
Would pay 1.5-1.8k if I had to.
This is their latest reply..
Hi James,
The quote you have was from a special Christmas promotion we ran last year, this was an exclusive promo run for the Christmas period hence 30 day quote period. I unfortunately cant replicate the same promotion as this was a Christmas only deal and there have also been several product price increases since this promotion was run last year.
If you are keen I would suggest going to ARB Caboolture’s open day tomorrow, they will be running an Air locker promotion for the day, Im unsure of the exact promotion but it should be worth the drive down.
As always any issues with an ARB product or fitment will be covered if within our Warranty period, the Air lockers now have a 5 year warranty.
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If they can give us supply and install for under 2k with the bigger compressor I'll be putting down a payment tomorrow haha!! And be joining the IO locker club ;)
Guess this means I'm keeping the IO longer than expected, was going to sell after Uni studies (still ~12 months away from graduating) but with my 21st this month and Tax refund on its way I'm thinking the ARB locker might be best value for money and convince us to keep the IO for the well forseeable future!
My mate in that suzuki from the most recent woodford pics has an e locker rear.. CLICK CLICK CLICK on the corners but seems to work alright! I believe he got his front ARB air locker for something like $1200 with compressor for tyres and installed himself (4th year mechanic) I might hit him up!
Or...
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HF-Air-Locker-RD100-3-73-5-38-Ratios-27-S...
If you're up for an experiment - and your mate can help install.
Looks like ARB have cracked down on the listings of the cheap chinese copies, but you could try to email this place and see if they have the RD05 - they used to...
ARB made a video a while back discrediting the chinese copies, but while the aussie one took more force to break, the chinese one took a hell of a lot - more than a clapped out 2.0L could provide I bet!!
well well well
Unfortunately for the better or worse I put a deposit down in a ARB rear locker today! They ended up matching their previous promo and I will have it installed later in the week :)
Will post multiple vids! Especially in comparison to the vid where I broke my original LSD diff.. I'll video that same track with lockers!!
Had a ball today, the mud tyres are such an advantage!
UPDATE!!
EDIT EDIT EDIT~!
Just checked my invoice and its the BIGGER COMPRESSOR WITH THE TYRE PUMP UP KIT :D
The guy on the phone yesterday confirmed!!! SO that's the rear locker installed and fitted with bigger compressor and orange hose etc for it all!
To my knowledge everything compressor related with this kit is shown here:
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looks like the big comressor is only 1.5x the size of the mini one so it should fit no worries under your drivers seat
The kit on the invoice has the same arb-ckma12 Claude supplied (invoice says CKMA12 MDM High Flow compressor + 171302 hoses/pump up STD kit)
If Claude could fit his under the seat hopefully this one will too! Only things I can see people complaining about is heat but at worst they'll be pumping 29/30" tyres from 15-35 PSI which is way under the stress levels the people with 35" tyres complain about.
I'm anxiously awaiting a call from ARB when the parts come in to book install... I want to call them to touch base but I've already been on the phone twice this week haha...
Any hints to speed up time???
compressor
Yes it does fit under the seat, you have a picture in my built thread, post 117. Print it and show it to them, that might save you from "no it cannot be done" !!!
Yes it does get hot, but as you said, if you only do 4x 225/75/16 it will be 100 % fine and it is relatively quick too. I think that for 35 inches tyres it is just too small.
Hints to speed up time.....clean your hand bag...lol....
Happy io
Claude!
Ha.. Ha. Haaaaa...
Claude you will have to come out to the tracks next time you're passing through Brisbane... I'll take a day off shopping with the girls and leave my handbag at home and meet you for hill climbs in the auto 
... talking about girly tracks did anyone see Claudes Dustys Hill run? My mothers Ford Fiesta did it just the other week...
I fitted one of those ARB
I fitted one of those ARB twin pump systems recently to a friends nissan dual cab ute and mounted the pump high up in the tray section and put a switch on the outside of the canopy so he didn't need to crawl inside the canopy itself. It's high up and won't see any water unless he drowns the whole car.
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Ha.. Ha. Haaaaa...
Claude you will have to come out to the tracks next time you're passing through Brisbane... I'll take a day off shopping with the girls and leave my handbag at home and meet you for hill climbs in the auto
... talking about girly tracks did anyone see Claudes Dustys Hill run? My mothers Ford Fiesta did it just the other week...
Lol,
No way...we will go shopping together instead :) I need new shoes !
Nothing wrong with the auto, when very low speed is needed, in difficult places sometime I wish that I had the auto...
Happy io
Syndicate
locker
If you choose the ARB one, upgrade the compressor to be able to pump your tyres with it. The one for the locker only is too small for inflating the tyres. They fitted mine under the driver seat, great to use.
While I am 110% happy with the ARB locker, I did get 3 times some oil in the air line, fixed with NO problem at no cost to me every time, but annoying! . Since it is now perfect.
If ARB can fit one, maybe a e-locker from eaton could be a option too.
A front one will be great too!
Happy io
My io is now SOLD Thankshttp://pajerio.com/forum/claudes-io-2002-zr-built-thread-onlyhappy-io