Fraser Island Trip

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I can't find a trip planning thread, so I'll just put this in the general section.

I'm planning a trip in a couple of weeks to Fraser Island. I'll be staying at Kingfisher Bay from Tuesday the 27th til Friday 30th of September (3 nights).

Is anyone keen to tagalong? I'm pretty confident the iO will get me anywhere I want to go on the island, but it might be more reassuring / fun with another iO in convoy.

I know there are a few QLDers on this forum, so I thought I'd put it out there and see if anyone is available and keen for the trip.

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Mate you'll rip it up.

Mate you'll rip it up. Fraser is heaven on earth.

If you've never done the sand, this is my opinion.

 

Tyre pressure, 16/18 psi, no lower.

NO sharp, erratic movements on the steering wheel.

Strong but sensible momentum.

No hard braking, let the car roll to a stop wherever possible.

 

In the soft sand,

Unloaded, 2nd high range 4 with the center diff locked, (HLC) steady 3/3500 rpm.

Loaded, 2nd Low range, center diff is locked (LLC) 3/500 rpm.

On the hard sand,

High range 4, locked or not, 60 kph max.

 

Me and the family will be up Teewah @ the same time!   26th & the 27th, beach camping.

You could take the long way to rainbow & meet up, before hitting the barge!

Check a map, that's a sweet way to Fraser.

 

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sand driving advice

ktm300 wrote:

Tyre pressure, 16/18 psi, no lower.

NO sharp, erratic movements on the steering wheel.

Strong but sensible momentum.

No hard braking, let the car roll to a stop wherever possible.

In the soft sand,

Unloaded, 2nd high range 4 with the center diff locked, (HLC) steady 3/3500 rpm.

Loaded, 2nd Low range, center diff is locked (LLC) 3/500 rpm.

On the hard sand,

High range 4, locked or not, 60 kph max.

 

Perfect advice, thank you so much! 18psi is perfect  - Took my Io to Bribie Island for the weekend and had my first sand driving experience ever.

After an initial "almost bogged" moment in 4HLc 2nd gear driving too slow on the beach entry I hit most soft sand at 30km/h 4LLc 2nd gear at 4000rpm no worries.
I'm hooked - I'll be back to the beach as often as I can!

When we were exiting the beach today a stock rav4 drove straight into the bowl of soft sand at the beach entry with 35psi tyres, spun up and dropped onto it's axles. Loads of abuse from other beach users as he didn't bring his own snatch strap and blocked the entry for almost 20 minutes.

As soon as there was a gap I decided I wasn't going to be another "hair dresser's" 4wd bogged so I gunned it. Low range third gear with the rev-limiter pinging out on the redline and to the cheers of the tow crew the Io floated straight through the beach entry (about 30km/h over the posted limit :S ) but didn't get bogged.

Sand is the best fun ever!

Thanks again
 

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sand driving advice

ktm300 wrote:

Tyre pressure, 16/18 psi, no lower.

NO sharp, erratic movements on the steering wheel.

Strong but sensible momentum.

No hard braking, let the car roll to a stop wherever possible.

In the soft sand,

Unloaded, 2nd high range 4 with the center diff locked, (HLC) steady 3/3500 rpm.

Loaded, 2nd Low range, center diff is locked (LLC) 3/500 rpm.

On the hard sand,

High range 4, locked or not, 60 kph max.

 

Perfect advice, thank you so much! 18psi is perfect  - Took my Io to Bribie Island for the weekend and had my first sand driving experience ever.

After an initial "almost bogged" moment in 4HLc 2nd gear driving too slow on the beach entry I hit most soft sand at 30km/h 4LLc 2nd gear at 4000rpm no worries.
I'm hooked - I'll be back to the beach as often as I can!

When we were exiting the beach today a stock rav4 drove straight into the bowl of soft sand at the beach entry with 35psi tyres, spun up and dropped onto it's axles. Loads of abuse from other beach users as he didn't bring his own snatch strap and blocked the entry for almost 20 minutes.

As soon as there was a gap I decided I wasn't going to be another "hair dresser's" 4wd bogged so I gunned it. Low range third gear with the rev-limiter pinging out on the redline and to the cheers of the tow crew the Io floated straight through the beach entry (about 30km/h over the posted limit :S ) but didn't get bogged.

Sand is the best fun ever!

Thanks again
 

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fraser & brisbane meet up?

Thanks for the sand driving tips - I'm off to bribie on the 24th sept so will miss you by a week

Would you guys have time to do a brisbane meet up / pub dinner or somthing before heading north? I live down near the Gold Coast on Mt Tamborine but am happy to boot into bris on the weekend / after work etc

 

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I work shifts, so am all over

I work shifts, so am all over the place.

I don't have that many weekends to spare, but generally have time during most weeks to do my own thing.

Caching up would be good if the planets align.

I've been thinking as many of us as possible, should hit somewhere on mass.

IO convoy!!

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Thanks for the tips. My only

Thanks for the tips. My only worry is the mud tyres that I've just put on. I'm going to do a beach drive somewhere local to figure out the best presures and techniques, but I'll definitely start with those recommendations.

I went to fraser on my adventure bike a couple of years ago, rode the entire rainbow beach on the way, it is a bloody good trip, but I think this time I'll be going via Hervey bay to get straight to Kingfisher Bay. Plans aren't set as yet, aside from accomodation booked. I'll have a think about it and see if we can meet up on the sand. 

I live in sydney, so while I'm up there I'd be very keen for a pub dinner to put a face to some names. I'll be staying in Yeronga the days before and after the fraser trip, so we should definitely organise something.

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Cool. Let us know.

The muddies will be fine, though they'll try to dig.

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I wouldnt mind going, Ill

I wouldnt mind going, Ill check my work calender tomorrow and see whats going on.  I have a bad feeling end of september is not going to work though....

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oooooow, depending on how

oooooow, depending on how things work out theres a  very good chance ill be going there around the same time! Ill do my best to get all the planets to align so me and my wife can come along!! 

 

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I'll be catching a barge to

I'll be catching a barge to kingfisher bay on tuesday 27th at 12:30pm, and then returning on friday 30th night at 8:30.

Let me know if any of you will make it so we can plan some activities on the island.

 

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Our plans haven't changed.

Our plans haven't changed. Teewah 26th & 27th, home 28th.

Looks like rain/showers now. Doesn't matter.

Rainbow bay is probably the closest I'll get to you.

Have a great time.

 

PS. Hows life with the muddies so far? You mentioned a recon drive?

 

 

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Didn't get a chance on the

Didn't get a chance on the weekend :(

Looks like the first bit off road they'll do is the sand of fraser!

I let one of the tyres down to see how it bags out, I got it down to about 12psi before there was even a slightly noticeable change (without much in the car). The light truck sidewalls are solid as!

 

I'm still keen for dinner in brissie maybe the following week on the monday night if you and Bob want to meet up.

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Drop em to 16/18, you'll

Drop em to 16/18, you'll notice the difference in the sand & when your run over sharp stuff.

Oct 3?

I'm Working nights then but keen to get together another time.

I'll have to polish the poor old IO for the occasion.

 

 

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Oct 3 Brisbane meet-up

I'm free oct 3,

I'm not a Brisbane local but I'm keen to travel to wherever - apart from the Story Bridge Hotel I've not been anywhere close to suitable for a meet up dinner central to Brisbane.

let me know what you think

Bob

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I'll be back in brisbane on

I'll be back in brisbane on saturday, probably cleaning the sand off. Would any of the SE QLD (or NE NSW) crew be keen for a day trip somewhere on sunday the 2nd, followed by dinner or watching the NRL grand final somewhere on sunday evening?

I wouldn't mind finding some good tracks around the hinterland if any of you locals are keen and available to go then.

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Hinterland

Hi Guys,

 

I'm out at Emerald at the moment for work and won't be back until tuesday at the earliest,

I've only lived in brisbane for about a year and have yet to go looking for long day trip trails however there is a great network of firetrails on the E side of Mt Tamborine down near the gold coast which are a good place to go for a drive with two main tracks that cross over through a creek crossing, loads of easy hills and some nasty stuff you can avoid if you feel like a challenge.

The main track climbs up to Eagle heights from the valley up a ridge line with loads of side tracks and loops. access is at the bottom of the hill off the end of "wongawallen rd - off welches rd" in Wongawallen, simply engage low and drive on up the fire trail - easy stuff but nice and steep with great views (family friendly)
You can come in from the top as well and go down from the top of eagle heights, drive down wongawallen rd and it ends at a fire trail.
The junction at the top of wongawallen rd eagle heights leads over to the second main trail via a creek crossing.
The second track access from the top (north) end of tarata rd Guanaba and climbs up the mountain via a ridge and some steep loose climbs, short boggy sections and forest. Lots of steep declines and loose sections that can be driven around. Mid way up the link track comes accross via a creek howevr if you continue on you pass through a short section of NP vefore exiting back into crown land, past waterfalls and clay pits to the bottom of a very very steep loose hill. You need your tyres dumped to get up and would need a second vehicle for extraction if you don't have a locker but it's fun to at least drive out to it and have a look.

 

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So how did everyone go? Im

So how did everyone go? Im keen to see some pics :)

and pissed off I coudnt make it!

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What an awesome trip.

Now that I'm back in the comfort of my own home with decent internet, I can reflect on my trip.

I drove from Sydney to Brisbane in one day. It was pretty easy, the iO was running well at 110km/h where it was legal to do so, and was getting just under 10l/100km on premium unleaded with my 29" mud tyres at 40psi.

My oil level was a little bit low, so I added about a litre of oil to bring it up towards the top of the dipstick indicator. I hadn't checked the oil for a few weeks before this, but after a week of driving, the level had barely changed since topping it up.

We caught the barge from river heads to kingfisher bay at lunchtime on tuesday the 27th. This gave us enough time to check into our room at KB resort, let some air out of the tyres and drive to Lake Mackenzie, Central Station and Pile valley and return back before dark. It was a bit windy and overcast, so we wanted to come back and see the blue lake in better conditions later (which we did). We saw our first dingo in the carpark here.

My initial worries with regards to the iO were the clearance and the mud tyres digging in. I had visions of the bash plate/crossbeam scrubbing constantly on the inland tracks where the wheel ruts can get quite deep, but I honestly did not hear it scrub at all, aside from the odd hole in the track where the suspension would take a hit. The tyres were awesome. I think they even helped me gain a bit of momentum when taking off in boggy sand, and were always quick to start 'planing' on top of the soft stuff.

I was cruising on the inland tracks at 30km/h if not a little more, 14psi in my tyres, no load in the back (back seats removed) and 2 of us in the front. I had it locked in 4LLC the entire time on sand, and this worked great. 1st gear  was good for getting moving in even the softest sand, with virtually no use of the clutch. 2nd gear was a good all round gear for the softer and rougher stuff. There were some sections where the track got pretty rough from bouncing off the first obstacle and people's accelerating or braking creating corrugations on a car-length scale. These seemed to go on for ages at times, but 2nd gear was fine for these. On the smoother inland tracks, 3rd gear had perfect torque to keep the car moving efficiently, while on the beach I stuck to around 50km/h in 5th. I hit a few sand washouts unexpectedly, and I'm pretty sure I got completely airborne off one at this speed, so I can't imagine doing 80km/h. Its no wonder the hire vehicles are heavily restricted now, cos it would have been fun if it wasn't my baby ;)

Day 2 we went to the beach via lake wabby lookout and stonetool sandblow lookout. Incredible. After waiting for the tide to drop, we made our way up the beach to the wreck of the Maheno and the coloured sands of The Pinnacles. I really wanted to drive up to Lake Allom on the northern forest loop (Woralie road), but maps and signs had warnings about very soft and rough conditions, and not to do it alone without a completely self sufficient recovery set up. We came back down the beach and swam at Eli Creek, which just looks like a man made pool at Wet and Wild or something. It was very relaxing to float down the creek. We saw some Jungle Perch amongst the tree roots at the side of the creek too.

We then took Happy Valley Road to the Lake Garawongera loop road. There were also warnings about this road, but more people seemed to be doing it, so I was more confident of someone passing by to help if needed. The track was the most difficult we saw, with a few big washouts/step ups over tree roots to contend with, but we had absolutely no problems, and left wondering what bigger challenges we could tackle. This track had the most wildlife with lots of goannas or Lace Monitors and a wide variety of birds incluing the Australian King Parrot.  After another short trip down the beach, we drove back to the western side to watch the sun set at the resort.

Day 3 we drove straight to the eastern beach and south to Hammerstone Sandblow walking trail. We walked through the bush and then out on the sandblow to get to Lake Wabby, where we saw some large Blue Catfish and schools of Rainbowfish. We then drove to Eurong, before continuing to Dilli Village. From here we came inland to do the Southern Lakes drive winding our way north back to the resort. The terrain down here was so different. Large expanses of low lying wetlands and wallum scrub. The lake levels were all very high thanks to the rain that fell last summer, and it is well noted that the perched dune lakes have no inlets or outlets, and are completely dependent on rainfall and evaporation. The most spectacular had to be Lake Birrabeen, the green lake. It was probably better than lake Mackenzie, especially considering that we were the only ones there at the time. There were dingo paw prints everywhere, but we didn't actually see any (which my girlfriend Megan was very happy about seeing as we were all alone). We drove back through the tall forests of Pile valley to the resort once again.

After a full buffet breakfast on our last day, we went to Central Station and did a 4.5km rainforest walk to work it off. Wanggoolba creek is incredibly beautiful, and we saw lots of kookaburras and lace monitors along this trail. As it was a beautiful day, we came back via Lake Mackenzie one more time, which was a lot nicer in the sunlight. We swam here and saw purple spotted gudgeons in the shallows. There was a lot of smoke haze from back burning, which didn't really bother us, but as it turned out a couple days later the embers from this burn flared up and nearly burnt down Kingfisher Bay resort! It was here that we saw 2 more dingoes, who seemed happy to laze about and lap up the attention without harming anyone. From Lake Mackenzie we went straight to the west coast to see Mackenzie's Jetty, where boats used to load timber from plantations at Pile Valley and Central Station. The road was formerly a tram track for getting the logs to the jetty.  On the beach are the remains of an old boiler and tractor from the old logging operations. Logging ceased on the island in 1992, at which time the west coast just north of here was rehabilitated and Kingfisher Bay Ecotourism Resort was built. This coincided with the island's World Heritage listing.

All in all it was a very fun and fascinating trip, and I recommend it to everyone.

The iO was possibly the perfect vehicle for the job. After watching a brand new discovery get buried to its axles at one of the beach entrances (and extract itself with Maxtrax), I had to give the soft sand a go. To my disappointment, the io drove straight over it in 2nd gear low with absolutly no hesitation. It wasn't until I reversed down a water runaway to let some others pass that I finally managed to get stuck. I knew it was likely to happen, but I needed to recover myself at least once! I had looked at maxtrax before the trip, but opted for some home made ones which I made from Plywood and an old car tyre strip door mat. With a couple of goes using this, I was straight out of my bog. I think I wouldn't have been stuck at all with a locker...

I'll get to work on a video of some bits soon, but for now, here are some photos...

First taste of driving on the inland tracks - Piece of cake.

The Maheno wreck

The tracks around Lake Garawongera.

There were a couple of smaller 4wds than mine on the island.

Wanggoolba Creek, Central Station.

Fraser island DONE!

$4 for 6 minutes of high pressure water.

Reinflation before heading home

Glad we made it onto the 5pm barge back home - a lot of others were waiting to get on.

Back in Brisbane, she finally got a real wash :)

 

 

 

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Nice!

Excellent.

Looks like a great trip.

Photos look good, car looks good, great write up.

Got stuck, got yourself out!

You should send that story to one of the mags.

Nice one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Cheers Kato, I'm still on a

Cheers Kato, I'm still on a high from the trip, and its been nearly a week since we left :)

It would have been nice to have caught up on Teewah beach, but as you read, we packed a lot into our time on fraser!

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great write up!

Thanks for a fantastic write up, great photos too!

Sorry things didn't work out for a meet up - i'm still in emerald waiting for the boss to let me go home.

Seeing the Io out there is a serious motivator to book a trip over to Fraser smiley

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in response to Bob

Bob's ninja moves are striking again.

Definitely worth the trip. We managed to fill 3.5 days there easily and were on the go the whole time. We booked Kingfisher Bay resort through expedia and it was $118 per night during school holidays for our room which had a queen bed and a single bed. I'm normally a camper, but for that price we couldn't resist :)

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damn ninjas

natsterrr wrote:

Bob's ninja moves are striking again.

Definitely worth the trip. We managed to fill 3.5 days there easily and were on the go the whole time. We booked Kingfisher Bay resort through expedia and it was $118 per night during school holidays for our room which had a queen bed and a single bed. I'm normally a camper, but for that price we couldn't resist :)

It's becoming a pain as I cannot edit my posts to remove spelling mistakes and typo's I miss during writing. - good tip on the resort ;)

Any one also noticed how my profile picture keeps changing from a tas hill climb to a QLD beach?

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And a few more pics...

Eli Creek - 80 million litres of fresh water flow through here and into the ocean every day!

It is a popular spot, but its beauty couldn't be spoiled by the crowds - it was still awesome.

Lake Birrabeen was as good as Lake Mackenzie but without the crowds.

Kicking back in the Lake Mackenzie car park...

Lake Mackenzie with smoke haze from back burning

Mackenzie's Jetty

We were treated to one final sunset on our ride back to the mainland :D

 

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When I was a kid we used to

When I was a kid we used to camp 50 / 100m south of Eli creek, up in the dunes behind the tree line.

Imagine it, no railings or board walk, no buses, no tourists.

Walking track right to the start of the creek, where it's just a trickle coming from beneath the wet sand.

Digging swimming holes, catching yabbies, floating down stream on your air bed.

Life was good. Hopefully my kids can look back with the same fondness in the years ahead.

 

P. s   Birrabeen is terrible and full of crocs and leeches and nobody should ever go there.cheeky

 

 

 

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