Heat shield........on or off
Oh yeh the fibre wrap, Unless
Oh yeh the fibre wrap, Unless you have plenty of time on your hands don't do it. It is a pain in the backsde to do.
I learnt so much doing it. Don;t do it in direct sunlight (big no-no). Use a spray bottle with a bit of water in it as you go and only try and do a bit at a time, like keep the backing paper on it and roll it ouit as you are tying to lay it down. Do Not take the whole of the backing paper off or you will regret it.
They make it seem so much easier on youtube but Don"t believe them.
When I did just the back half of the roof I did it in 3 sections, 1 at a time but in 1 complete piece of fibre.
Roof rack
Hi
Thanks on the fast reply. My IO does not have roof mounting brackets or holes. It came out like that unfortunately. That is why i'm interested to see what other people has done if they did not have mountings for a roof rack.
On the fuel economy. I have done the normal srvice. This includes air filter; spark plugs; I only use Castrol Magnatec and nothing else. I replaced the bogie cords.
The other day I also replaced the fuel filter inside the fuel tank itself. That was very badddddd!!. Still a few thing to check. Like maybe new coils. $$$ Unfotunately I don't take engines apart. I will leave that to my uncle or the pro's. Thanks for the ideas. appreciate.
Check my Ettienne build threadI put on today with a few foto's.
Thanks
Ettienne
Ettienne, you can't see the
Ettienne, you can't see the roof mountings they are in the channel and they are not much, easy to miss but they should be there.
When it comes to oil I have used the magnetec also and found it to be good but I find that Penrite is better and doesn't burn as much especially if you have a few klms on the engine.
Honestly all I can say is look on Ebay for the super chargers and when you find them buy 2 of and put one near the throttle body (like mine) and one on the engine side of the air filter box. It will drag alot more air into the engine.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/14
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/141331820112?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssP...
Hope this works.
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Super, yes.
Both of the above, but don't
Both of the above, but don't expect it to feel like a proper turbo otherwise you will be dissapointed. But there is a slight increase in power but then for just over $10 you can't expect the world.
I personally think any improvement at miminal cost is worth giving it a go. I am very happy with it.
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if these are the un-powered things they give you a nice wissing noice - and decrease performance
if these are the powered units - they give a nice wissing noise, and decrease power above 1500RPM.
BUT
they are fantastic at falling apart and throwing metal bits straight into your intake YAY!!!
'kinell
they are fantastic at falling apart and throwing metal bits straight into your intake YAY!!!
I did wonder. What about if one was put before the air filter rather than after?? Any bits would be trapped in the filter. Would the thing have any effect in that position? I think I can guess the answer that is coming.
Hey Bob have you tried them
Hey Bob have you tried them ????
If you have doupts thats fine but I would sudgest to get one of these things (not the single fan but the double) and cup it in one hand and spin it and see how much air they do pull thru.
When I decided to put one on my 2.4 magna I did nothing else to it and it improved the fuel a little and also power a little. It wasn't massive but enough to make a noticable difference.
And as for them falling apart they are made well and I have checked mine on a number of accations and it still in the same condition as I bought it 4yrs ago.
Honestly $11 for some improvement but not over do the stress on the engine, Why be so negitive about them until you try them.
Where is this info about
Where is this info about these things falling apart and thowing metal objects into the engine, have you got some link or info where to go to get it because if this is case then I will take mine out as I can't afford any damage to my engine because of a $10 part.
It has worked well up till this stage in 2 of my cars. Where abouts did you read this infomation.
So what spins it when it's installed?
If you have doupts thats fine but I would sudgest to get one of these things (not the single fan but the double) and cup it in one hand and spin it and see how much air they do pull thru.
Question as per the subject line - when you cup it in one hand and spin it, presumably you're spinning it with the other hand - what spins it when it's installed?
And let me ask a second time - where are the numbers?
lol
Come on Bob, once would have been enough ...lol...
Helijohn, from some reading I found these give the air a turning movment to the air giving more air flow, fitting them before the air filter would loose that. Like most of us, I mainly read bad report, including broken part going in the air inlet and damaging the engine but I never try them. I even found a review that I found very funny, not the same product but......Review from "Luke" on the left from this link.
http://www.amazon.com/Air-Intake-Supercharger-Booster-Turbonator/product...
While my first thought would be that they would slow the air more than anything, I haven't tested them but it is great to have some feedback from someone that have one on his car. Regarding the bit of blade going in the engine, aren't they in very light alloy ? would they really blow up the engine or would that type of alloy be hard enough to damage the cylinder bore ? again, no idea ....maybe of some engine ??? and obviously on Honda Civic 92...lol..
Happy io
Not A Powered Unit.
Again the unit I have is not powered therefore is not governed but a electric motor. Once the air reaches the same speed as the electric motor then it is going to be restricted (Agree ?) , so don't compare to the electric ones.
The unit I have is a twin fan unit Not the single. I tried the single fan unit on the magna and it had trouble even just idling. The twin fan (Dual) did work and like i said in previous comments I do not recommend the single fan ones.
You want numbers ? well I haven't got a dyno just sitting around that i can use but I can tell you that I am judging by the amount of fuel that I used before and after. Per litres compared to klms traveled over time and not just a one off comparison. I use less fuel now than b4 and it might only be .75 of a litre per 100klm but a saving is a saving (correct ?).
Power wise when I say there is a increase it isn't like 30hp or some ridiculous thing like that, slight improvement and I do notice it and like I have said in previous comments Do Not compare it to a proper turbo because there is no comparison between the 2.
If this unit gives a ( slight ) improvement then it's an improvement right ?
So for minimal costs, not like the $300 they mention on the video for the electric unit (which was funny by the way) .
So in the end it comes down to personal choice and actually trying something b4 commenting on it whether it's negative or positive. I have tried these and I believe they give a slight improvement ( I'm not leaving big black tyre marks every time I take off .. Lol ).
Some one asked how these things turn ? Put your hand in front of the throttle body and give it a rev and you have your answer. The 1st fan is drawn by the suction and then the 2nd pulls more air thru the inlet pipes.
I am going back to watch the video again, I like the twin blower set-up and might give it a try. Will let you guy's know of the results of that one at a later date .. Lmao.
Hope you all have a good day.
Of cause depending on how I
Of cause depending on how I drive and short or long trips but that is roughly what saving I get and I am not wanting to go proper turbo because the cost in doing that outweighs the savings and I am not a huge fan on putting to much stress on the engine as it needs to last. 270,000klm and going like a dream so I am happy with the xtra little bit of saving and power that these things do give out. Couldn't tell you the amount of xtra horse power but again happy with it even tho it is only minimal.
Going back to the quality of these things, they do seem to be very well made and very smooth and easy to turn. You can blow into them and they start turning so it doesn't take much at all. There will be some lag with the but you also get that with a proper turbo anyways.
So all in all I am happy with them and just not reading this info off a website or a piece of paper.
If it's not a powered unit...
Simple physics - an internal combustion engine is essentially an air pump - the more air flow, the more power. If you insert anything into the air intake, you're going to cause a restriction unless whatever you inserted can somehow cause increased air flow, which is not going to happen with an "unpowered fan", that will only create drag.
Reduced airflow = reduced power.
Reduced airflow - IF - your EFI system is functioning properly, will also result in reduced fuel consumption as the system corrects to maintain the appropriate emission levels, but most drivers will instinctively compensate for the reduced power with a wider throttle opening, negating this reduced fuel consumption..
0.75l/100 km, I can get that much variation by changing my driving style - spirited driving, which I enjoy can easily add 2~3 l/100 km.
You may feel it's worth the while, but with no dyno numbers to prove it, there is no evidence - eve rheard of a placeo effect?
Let's face it - with the pressure on automotive manufacturers to improve their fuel economy numbers, if they could do it with a $10 fan in the intake - every car coming out of the factory would have one.
Like a blockage
Simple physics - an internal combustion engine is essentially an air pump - the more air flow, the more power. If you insert anything into the air intake, you're going to cause a restriction unless whatever you inserted can somehow cause increased air flow, which is not going to happen with an "unpowered fan", that will only create drag.
Reduced airflow = reduced power.
Reduced airflow - IF - your EFI system is functioning properly, will also result in reduced fuel consumption as the system corrects to maintain the appropriate emission levels, but most drivers will instinctively compensate for the reduced power with a wider throttle opening, negating this reduced fuel consumption..
0.75l/100 km, I can get that much variation by changing my driving style - spirited driving, which I enjoy can easily add 2~3 l/100 km.
You may feel it's worth the while, but with no dyno numbers to prove it, there is no evidence - eve rheard of a placeo effect?
Let's face it - with the pressure on automotive manufacturers to improve their fuel economy numbers, if they could do it with a $10 fan in the intake - every car coming out of the factory would have one.
I tend to agree. In the days of normally aspirated cars (carburettor) a gadget fitted in line AFTER the carb which atomised the mixture better stood a chance but I agree here cos I can only think this must impede ariflow.
Roof rack
Hi
The model I have only comes out with the roof channel strip. Underneath this strip there are only brackets for the strips and nothing to hold a roof rack.
I have seen a roof mounting bracket on a wreck when I was searching or parts. Defenetly nothing like that on my IO. So clearly i still do not have a answer / solution to my problem of how to fit a roofrack to a IO that does not have these fixing points.
Thanks so much for the help.
Ettienne
roof rack
I have seen one set up on an io for sell. I don't really like it but it is one option. He drilled through the roof to fit the bracket, similar to the famous bamboo rack http://pajerio.com/forum/bamboo-roof-rack-anyone
Here is the car, maybe you could contact him about it ?? http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/richardson/cars-vans-utes/2000-mitsubishi...
Simmo have another set up, again not very strong from what I read http://pajerio.com/forum/simmos-io
Ben have a rola system, he have done a big trip with a roof tent too http://pajerio.com/forum/bens-io
Have you try a roof rack specialist, at least to give you some idea ?
I remember someone making something to get stronger fixation showing some nice pics but I couldn't find it.
I hope that you find something
Happy io
Five door - why not three
He drilled through the roof to fit the bracket, similar to the famous bamboo rack http://pajerio.com/forum/bamboo-roof-rack-anyone
Happy io
What is the red car in the background? It is not a Pajero Junior is it? Looks nice.
You all seem to like the 5 door versions of iO!!
OMG you have Guntree in Australia.
All clones
True about the 5 doors, I like them too but...I LOVE my 3 doors 
. and they are better in 4x4....here goes another long list of complaining 5 doors owner who want to prove me wrong...you started it ...lol...
Happy 3 doors io :)
Trouble with 5 door ones is that the five door off roaders/soft roaders all seem to look alike. Vitara LWB was possibly the forerunner and now there are dozens. Not that it matters but if we want a 3 door the choices are limited - there is always the Jimny I guess.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
True about the 5 doors, I like them too but...I LOVE my 3 doors . and they are better in 4x4....here goes another long list of complaining 5 doors owner who want to prove me wrong...you started it ...lol...
Happy 3 doors io :)
OK I'LL BITE!!
Even though I have seen your videos online claude tearing up tracks where lifted 80 series and Patrols get stuck :P
I love my 5 door... and after owning a Daihatsu Feroza as my first car I LOVED the SWB... only downside is it was narrower agian then the IO's and being such a short wheel base got REALLY close to doing barrel rolls down mountains and steep tracks... but absolutely ate up anything with such a great approach and departure angles.
I detest however!!! In my opinion (food for thought ONLY) there are situations off road where a LWB IO would have advantage over a SWB IO and visa versa.. That being said any IO with the right set up destorys the "big boy 4x4's" ;)
But I guess you are correct in saying, mod for mod / out of the box a 3dr IO would eat a 5dr off road.... But what you lose there you gain in other places surely :) i'd say the 3dr is on par with the 5dr as far as a recreational 4x4 goes
Only...
The only advantage a 3dr has on a 5dr is "break over" angle - on the other hand, the disadvantages are numerous.
No, no I am fully awake :)
Even Simmo is agree with me :)
Only the break angle, this is a HUGE advantage, the 3 doors are smaller so they are more manoeuvrable. They are lighter so they don't dig in the terrain as much like sand or mud. They are lighter with the same engine, this mean more power, more torque....So much better :)
The 5 doors is probably better for very steep hill....
This said, these are for 4x4 advantages, the 5 doors can carry more beer, more fishing gear, bigger mattress, more ladies (advantage ?? one might be enough), maybe a bit more comfortable but the 3 doors looks so much better...lol....
Any more bite ...lol...
Happy 3 doors io 
Syndicate
Hi back To Sth
Hi back To Sth Africa.
Supercharger: You can get them on Ebay.com, They do make a diiference and I am adding another one near the airbox. You will just have to check to see if they post to where you are. I just bought another one for $11.00 Australian. They are worth there weight in gold (so I think anyway). And yes mine is petrol (gas) but I only use 91 not 95 or 98. Would be interesting to see what I would get If I did use 98.
Servicing: Not sure on how much you service your cars but you need to do that. Oil changes (good Oil not crap), air filter (change or cleaan), change spark plugs, add a fuel additive to clean injectors from time to time with injector cleaner and do a throttle body clean and air intake clean. All of these combined will get you very good fuel ecomany. I know it sounds like a lot but it's not especally when you save so much more in the long run. I do it every year and sometimes twice a year and it saves me hundreds of dollers.
When it comes to spark plugs I use to take them out roughly every 3-4mths and clean them then rotate them i:e, Take out No1 and put in No2, No2 - No3, No3 into No4 and No4 into No1. They last loger as most of the heat is at the back of the engine so rotating them makes them last longer.
Roof racks: I am not sure on the overseas versions but I think mine is one. Look in the channal that runs from the front of the roof to the rear and you should find 2 mounting points on each side. (1 near the back and the other about halfway towards the front) I just decided that I wanted my racks to go all the way to the front so I made them light weight and don't intend on putting nothing too heavy towards the front.
Maybe I should make a crap load of them and sell them on Ebay ???
I will take a picture of the mounting places that are on my car and if they are the same then well good.
I never thought I would buy a mitsubishi piece of crap but I am glad I did. I plan on touring around Australia next year with this thing so I am setting it up as I Want and Need itto suit my needs.