Change lowrange gearing from 1.548 to 1.925 with Delica parts?
Even without larger tires, a lower lowrange would be nice, but with my planned 31"+ it would really be nice.
I have been trying to navigate this Greek forum as best I can, e http://www.pajeroclub.gr/viewtopic.php?t=1206 everything looks pretty straight forward with the swap, BUT i cant work out what transfer case i need to get the parts from?
What model Delica (or L200 4x4, whatever that is ?) has the correct gears for the swap? OR will ANY other V5M21 transmission do the job? I have tracked down an older delica transfer case, I hear they are basically the same, but Im not sure. I don't really want to go and spend $$$ on something that will not work?
Anyone have any ideas?
We need these Gears
L200
The L200 is the triton, and from the looks of this pdf, http://mmeierle.com/images/Max/Manual%20Transmission.pdf , it appears that the V5M21 gear box is used in the 2.8D tritons in australia.
I have no idea how to tell if the reduction gears are the same fit or not. I'd love someone with more mechanical nous to find something that works and tell us how ;)
The V5M21 was also used in series 1 and 2 pajeros, for which Marks Adaptors has low range gearing available ($1200+). Not sure if they would be willing to help us find something that will work...
Sorry guy's, I don't know why
Sorry guy's, I don't know why I haven't posted here before ???
I have been in touch with Marks adapters many times & they are very helpful.
The part #, price & ratio for low range reduction gearing to suit the IO ('02 @ least) is:
- MFK1840
- $1495.00 incl GST
- Ratio 3.15:1
This was as of 13/07/09.
Contact Denny @ marks4wd@marks4wd. com
Although I have not purchased these yet, I would imagine for the IO's with LSD, this would be the equal best, gain in off road performance with zero negative issues on road. The factory low range reduction is barely adequate for moderate to serious offroading.
I will most likely go down this road when funds allow.
Maybe drop them an email & see if they're still available. Others may be interested as well?
Cheers.
Spose if we want what they
Spose if we want what they got? Supply & demand & all that.
Let's see:
- Material $100
- 3 x set up $300
- 3 x manual machining ( 3hrs min @ $100/hr) $300
- Heat treatment $100
- Surface/finish grinding $100
- Storage & packaging $50
- Postage $50
- Profit $500
Doesn't seem unreasonable, that's the sort of money I'd charge.
Profit
I saw on another forum that someone was dealing directly with the manufacturer of these gears, so perhaps it is possible to bypass Mark's Adaptors and avoid the $500 'profit'.
This is the website they quoted:
http://www.hardmanbros.com.au/
I'm not currently in a position to buy this, but if a few people were keen to speak to them in the future then I would like to get in on a GP.
Series 3 pajero
I just looked on the Marks adaptors website and saw that the part number you gave is for Pajero series 3 2000-2006 petrol and diesel, manual and auto.
So perhaps the standard gearing out of any of these models would fit the iO and offer 1.9ish:1 gearing...?
3.1
I just looked on the Marks adaptors website and saw that the part number you gave is for Pajero series 3 2000-2006 petrol and diesel, manual and auto.
So perhaps the standard gearing out of any of these models would fit the iO and offer 1.9ish:1 gearing...?
Word around the camp fire on the (Greek forum) is that they may not fit, but no one has tried it yet. Themis made a 1.92 and said a lower ratio would not fit, But i would cut of my left nut for a 3.1 KTM! if a GP happens for these I am in! $1500 is fine. need around 6 months to save the $ again tho.
The greeks were doing a GP of custom 1.92 and that was for 1000euro from memory, so 1500 aus for a 3.1 is FINE with me.be nice if a GP dropped the price.
Is that just for the overseas
Is that just for the overseas 2001 AWD models? Maybe we need to contact Mitsubishi Australia and see if they can clarify part numbers for gearbox/transfer case/ diffs for the Australian Spec models at least.
Or is there a way of figuring all that stuff out from the codes under the bonnet? I was reading something in the front of one of the pinin manuals about that. It would be nice to know difinitively what other mitsubishi models share the same parts. Without having to spend money on trial and error! :P
Try this
low range gear..
While a low range gear will be much later for me, I have contacted Marks adapters but they no longer make what was mention by KTM, see post 3.
I think that would be great to find something. What would be the best ratio if we get them made 1.92 or 3.1?
Happy io.
lower gear
I knew some reply would come...lol...welcome back... I am not sure how to go, but I think that I would prefer to keep the diff as it is, and change the gear in the transfer box. This set up should have my car driving the same on the road. The ratio is my bigger problem, as my knowledge to how to calculate that is close to ..nil:(. I understand the principal but there is more than the gear itself ...I will work on that...
Talking about gearing, because of the tyres, my speedo is out but at least 5% and it is not legal. I am going to try to "legalise" my tyres but the speedo must be fixed to do that. This is to keep the insurance happy.
Happy io
Yeah id agree, But as im
Yeah id agree,
But as im running 31" and want to try 33" a 5.1 ish would still leave the car with lower RPM than usual, I think i calculated with a 5.1 that 31"s keep the revs std. s a low range would STILL be needed even with a lower dif ratio!
hope someone finds a solution before I do, then i can just copy them :)
Speedo corrector
http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5435
Claude
The iO speedometer is an electronic one, Jaycar make a speedo corrector kit which I know has been used successfully on the Grand Vitaras, it may also work on the iO, once you can figure out which wire behind the cluster to cut.
It's a 4 wire deal - ground, +12V from an ignition feed, signal in & signal out - so there's just the one wire behind the cluster that needs to be identified, cut & rewired to the corrector.
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http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5435
Claude
The iO speedometer is an electronic one, Jaycar make a speedo corrector kit which I know has been used successfully on the Grand Vitaras, it may also work on the iO, once you can figure out which wire behind the cluster to cut.
It's a 4 wire deal - ground, +12V from an ignition feed, signal in & signal out - so there's just the one wire behind the cluster that needs to be identified, cut & rewired to the corrector.
Freaking awesome!! Ill be buying one of these. I had no idea it was so simple.
beauty...
Thanks, that would be much easier than I thought!! I am going to search a bit more on that, and chase the speedo cable...hum...any sparky around:)
I just found a basic calculator to know the % difference between tyre size. from 215/65/16 and 215/70/16 is close to 3% ( I think that the speedo was not correct with the 215/65/16, but was perfect with the 215/70/16, based on my GPS, could be wrong!!) from 215/70/16 to 225/75/16 is close to 5%.
http://www.tyresave.co.uk/tyresiz2.html
Happy io.
The gears were made 4 years
The gears were made 4 years ago, I broke a few days ago on a hill,the ratio was 1,954-1
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt29/jeepajero/Picture060.jpg
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http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt29/jeepajero/Picture066.jpg
now looking to buy from home kit with the ratio 2,85-1 of pajero 1983-1991 which fits for the io 99%
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt29/jeepajero/gears2_zps571c7ca2.jpg
All dimensions are identical to the io, I have found from the manuals, the only gear that may not fit is 26 who might want polishing the transfer case 2mm
2.85 - 1
This is gold info :)
I have been searching to get a similar ratio for the transfer case (2.85 - 1), but so far no one makes anything (here, in Australia) for this car. The next problem would be to know if your Pajero 83-91 have the same gearing in Greece and Australia.
I have been thinking to remove my transfer case and send it to these people to have them built one custom set for me http://www.marks4wd.com/
Happy io.
good news....the gears from
good news....the gears from pajero in transfer io..................
Fantastic
Fantastic....that trasfer box is from a Pajero, do you know what engine it does have? In Australia we have at least these 3 engines: 2.5 turbo diesel, 2.6 unleaded 4 cylinder and the 3 litre 6 cylinder. I am not sure if they have the same transfer box :(
Does anyone would know?
Happy io
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Awesome stuff!!
Themis, was there much modifying of the gears or the IOs box to fit these?
Claud could you do me a favour and take a few snapshots of your transfer box? I wouldnt mind having a look at going down this path and the last thing I want is to find my transfer box is an odd one out like my rear diff.
PS, also keen to hear what model of Pajero.....
The transfερ was purchased
The transfερ was purchased without knowing what model of pajero is that your information I have descriptions. The gears fit perfectly without any conversion.
pajero transfer
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pajero gears in io transfer
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Low gear
One picture http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt29/jeepajero/Picture_zps5a639e3d.jpg show the specification of both gear box and the ratio is 1.944 and 1.925, how does it become 2.85 on the io? I am a bit lost....unless that pajero gear box had reduced lower gearing inside??
I would say that it is from the 2.6 litre, no much 6 cylinder in Europe....again, I could be very wrong!
Happy io
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One picture http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt29/jeepajero/Picture_zps5a639e3d.jpg show the specification of both gear box and the ratio is 1.944 and 1.925, how does it become 2.85 on the io? I am a bit lost....unless that pajero gear box had reduced lower gearing inside??
I would say that it is from the 2.6 litre, no much 6 cylinder in Europe....again, I could be very wrong!
Happy io
I thhiinnkkk was looking for a 2.85 kit for a pajero, but has now just got the stock gears from one... I think.
I does look like the camera is aimed at the 2.6L one, which is a pitty as the wreckers here have 5 3.0L cars.
Thanks for those photos, it looks like mine I think. Ill have to check it out.
Tranfer box pictures....
Awesome stuff!!
Themis, was there much modifying of the gears or the IOs box to fit these?
Claud could you do me a favour and take a few snapshots of your transfer box? I wouldnt mind having a look at going down this path and the last thing I want is to find my transfer box is an odd one out like my rear diff.
PS, also keen to hear what model of Pajero.....
the following are from my 99, manual 1.8
These are from my 2002 manual 2 litre
Happy io
Hello to all the
Hello to all the guys,
Perhaps some of you already know me from pajeroclub.gr or facebook, i'm the one that together with Themis we manufactured owr own 1,95 low gears in Greece and now looking for a solution from the pajeros. I see that some are confused on that matter so i'll try to explain what we have done so far:
It appears that the 1st Gen Pajeros share common dimensions in the low range gears with the IO's. Io's gears are as u all know 1.54:1
It also appears that the diesel version and the 2.6 model from 1983-1988 are having 1,944:1 low range gears where as from 1988-1991 and the 3.0 V6 are having 1,925:1 low range gears. Until now we have sucesfully managed to transfer the 1.944 gears from the pajero to the IO without any modification (except a very small one). We suspect that it will be equaly easy for the 1,925 gears found in some pajeros as well, we will know that a little later. The cost for finding used tcase from old pajero is relatively very cheap here in Greece, i guss the same for you as well.
The 2,85 low range gears have nothing to do with mitsubishi and is a set from marks at $1.500 that from the dimensions i got from them it seems difficult to fit since the tcase for the pajeros that they are intended for is totally different in gear spacing.
Hope it helps, there are several technical details but the main thing is that 1,944 gear set from old pajeros do fit the IO
welcome to our new member
Yes, we have heard and seen your car many time, very nice...very nice...some may even have a picture of your car in they bedroom....
Big thank you for the explanation, that is what I thought but wasn't sure at all...gear box are not my best point!, here is probably the set you are talking about,
http://www.marks4wd.com/low-range-gears/mitsubishi.html one of the two last one, is it the 24 or 23 tooth. So did Themis got them to fit ?
Yes, we can get these transfer case from the Pajero fairly easily and cheaply too, what mod do you have to do to get them to fit (the 1.944) in the io/pinin.
1.944 would be better than the 1.54, but 2.85 would be fantastic....
Thank you for sharing the info...and welcome to the Australian forum....hope to hear from you more often 
The next time I get back to Europe, I might come and see your io/pinin club
Happy io
Hi again! Themis has just
Hi again!
Themis has just fitted the 1,944 from and old pajero, just saw his post that got u confused, because he is using translator he got the meaning wrong. He/we never got the 2,85 set from Mark's, for Europe the price is close to $2.000 which is rediculusly high compared to the $200 of a used set from old pajero.
Themis and i already had 1,95 for 4 years, it's big improvement, if u combine it with 4,875 diff gears it's more than enough, there wasn;t any case that 1 gear in low range wasn't enough. the 2,85 gears were made mainly for the auto transmitions that their 1st gear is very high and don't have engine break downhill or uphill they struggle.
Hi fellas, first post
Hi fellas, first post here.
I have a 92 pajero jtop 2.5lt with a bit of work and have owned quite a few mitsu's over the years.
Not sure if these are what you are chasing but there are a number of forums in aus and america running a combined group buy on transfer gears atm:
http://www2.pajeroclub.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=27056
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1257654&an=0&pag...
You may have to sign in to see the details.
Newtriton.net are also involved in this buy, here is a quote from an original pajero guru:
Bitsamissin wrote
Hello Mark Hardman and myself have put a lot of work into making low range reduction gears for Pajero's. They are the same gears that are sold by Marks 4WD Adapters but are actually manufactured by Hardman Bros here in Melbourne and are available for purchase direct from him.
Basically there are :-
- 2.85 which fits Gen 1 & 2 auto & 5sp (2.6, 3.0, 2.3 & 2.5 diesels) will also fit 5sp Challengers & Tritons
- 3.15 which fits Gen 2 auto (3.5 & 2.8TDI) it will fit a 5sp but with shifter rail modifications
- 3.15 which fits Gen 3 auto (3.5, 3.8 & 3.2GDI) - these gears are totally different to the earlier model 3.15 ratio
The Gen 2 3.15's will fit the ML Triton as the t/case gear part no's are the same as late model Gen 2 Paj's.
These gears transform Pajero's offroad especially if you run larger tyres as the standard gearing is barely adequate.
I'm loving the mods you guys have got into!
I found the site while searching for a front locker for my pajero, seems it may be the same size as your io front diffs 
There may also be a benefit in this info for you guys as i have 5.29 diff gears as stock in my paj 
I will do up an intro thread soonish to say g'day properly.
Cheers,
mark
Marks adaptors
Smart way to do business, eat the competitors !!!
The problem with the io is that we don't know what gear to use, so a group buy is not "in the book" ...for now
I have contacted Marks Adaptors, and I am waiting for them to give me an estimate, they never fitted any io but are willing to give it a go :)
Happy io
I have been in contact with
I have been in contact with them as well, i'm trying to calculate a way to fit them since they are for fitting to totally different tcase dimensions and for the io it will require some serious grinding to acquire the necessary clearance to work properly...
In any case for all of those with 225/75/16 tires which is 29" and until 30" tires, 1.94:1 low range gears is more than enough, lower gears might be better for >32" tires which require other modifications and are unsuitable for any high range usage... unless we find lower diff gears which would be the best thing. I'm still working on that one!
Did u manage to find any cheap used old pajero's tcase to get the gears?
old pajero transfer case
They can be found, but they are at least two models, and most of the time the seller have no idea which one they have !!
For me I don't really want to change the ratio at the diff as I use this car to go to work, and it is good as it is ! I agree that the 1.94 is better than the 1.54 we have but a 2.85 or 3.1 would be really useful in some occasion.....
Your contact with Mark Adaptors, is it in Australia or else?
Happy io
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I just exchanged a couple of emails with Mark Adaptors....if everything goes to plan, my transfer case is going on holidays to their shop for a trial at fitting the 2.85 ratio low gear....
Can't wait 
Happy io
Oh nice. Should be interesting to see how that goes.
I am wondering though, can a low range be too low for a certain car? I can see it being great for dirt/rocky hills, but for sand wouldnt it being too low be bad? Correct me if I am wrong as I have no idea at all.
I have been in contact
I have been in contact directly with MArks adaptors and with their distributor in Europe (cost with delivery around €1.800) and i'm tryind to find a way to get them from Australia in a cheaper way, are u going to send them the tcase soon? so we can have an idea for fitting?
In fact it would be too low :)
Consider this:
With low range 2,85 the 3rd gear in low would be the same with 1st high and the 5th gear in low would be lower than 2nd gear in high menaing that you would have to change to high range quite often back and forth (that's what other pajero drivers had only as complain in some forums) so the fastest you can go in low range will be as fast as 2nd gear in high range goes. :)
Compared to the original 1,54 , 2nd will be like 1st, 3rd like 2nd, and 5th like 3rd
Hope that helps!
I have also found out that
I have also found out that the gears have the same part number with the Hyundai Galloper which is actually a pajero clone and share the same parts, so i'm in contact with a supplier in Korea and i might have a brand new set of 1,925 in my hands very soon and in very low price! :)
Hyundai Galloper
I have also found out that the gears have the same part number with the Hyundai Galloper which is actually a pajero clone and share the same parts, so i'm in contact with a supplier in Korea and i might have a brand new set of 1,925 in my hands very soon and in very low price! :)
How did you go with the order - would also love to buy some this way too 
i'll have it in my hands
i'll have it in my hands probably in a couple of weeks, will keep u posted if they match and fit :)
This set though and another 1,944 i found from an L300 do not have Backlash eliminator but that might not be such an issue, especially on manual gearbox
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i'll have it in my hands probably in a couple of weeks, will keep u posted if they match and fit :)
This set though and another 1,944 i found from an L300 do not have Backlash eliminator but that might not be such an issue, especially on manual gearbox
Which year L300 do you think may suit? There are no 1st gen Pajeros being wrecked in my area but there is a 1989 Triton(L300). Best part is from the picture the gearbox/transfere is sitting in the back of the tray.
Syndicate
It seems there are NO gears
It seems there are NO gears from another box that will swap into the Pajero iO transfercase, Not 100% confirmed (ill have a look myself when i get the chance)
So its looking like the best option, and one that may only be available once. Is to get in on a group order on a set! check here for more info www.pajerio.com/forum/group-purchace-192-low-range-gears-pajero-io